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Re: pee pee doo doo 4E is a bad game
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2009, 03:45:07 PM »
Couldn't agree with you more.  I think that 4E is a much better system, and I'm getting pretty frustrated at my players (not to mention others) for refusing to try the new system out.  I've made adventures in 4E and it's nice having the tools at your disposal without having to spend hours developing spell lists etc.  I understand there are those hardcore 3E fans, and accept this, however, that being said I prefer 4th ed.  I just can't seem to get a group that aren't purists in regards to the older rules.  They refuse to try out new games.  Ever since being exposed to Call of Cthulu (via RPPR, I might add) I wanted to run a game of it, however, people refuse saying, "It's new, therefore I don't understand it, therefore I hate it."  It's just a pet peve of mine when people refuse to try something out based on the fact that it's new.  A player actually said, "I know what I like, so why would I ever want to deviate?".  I believe it's fun to play, so at least give it a shot.  I've run 3.5E rather than nothing for a while, but it's just frustrating that people won't adapt, or claim a system is "inherently un-fun".  I feel it's a rules lawyers' system, and honestly, I'd like the same willingness to give it a go in return when I suggest a 4th ed game to my players.  I'm leaning towards applying the no gaming is better than spending time writing material for elitists, who to a large extent seem only to enjoy the min maxing that the 3.5 edition offers.  When they wouldn't try out Call of Cthulu, I had to wonder if it was worth continuing to try to work with it any longer.  I enjoy playing, and trying out the new 4E rules would breath some new life into the game (as well as level the playing field), as would trying a new system... but I digress.  These are games that are meant to be enjoyed, and I wish people would step away from the need to have a powerhouse, and try to just enjoy the game as a game.

One last point to those that claim 4E is a WoW clone: In wow, you have one build that can be successful in high end raiding or PVP.  I'd say that that's true for 3.5 to, as certain feat/spell combinations lead to overpowered builds, same as in WoW.  Just a thought.

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Re: pee pee doo doo 4E is a bad game
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2009, 04:41:54 PM »
your group is assholes

Call of Cthulhu is easier to pick up than 3.5E.

Fuck those guys. Find a new group.

Hell be an asshole. Just show with Call of Cthulhu in hand and say 'we're either playing CoC (or whatever) or I am never running a game for you again. And if you sabotage this game, I will never run a game for you again."

Play hardball.

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Re: pee pee doo doo 4E is a bad game
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2009, 04:54:44 PM »
Good calll.... Fuck them indeed!  They actually got too drunk to play last session, so I'm pretty sure I'm just gonna find some new blood.  It's a maturity issue... and it's not mine.  So fuck it.

Just to wrap up my thoughts on the issue, in bullet format, because everything is better bulletized:

•   I’ve played D&D since AD&D, and 4th ed is the best installment yet (Yeah, that's right, I've dealt with THAC0 and it made me die a little inside).
•   Enjoy gaming and don’t waste your gm’s time.  If you do this, your game will suck in any edition.
•   Quit comparing D&D to WoW.  D&D doesn’t make me want to choke my computer after fifteen minutes of playtime.

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Re: pee pee doo doo 4E is a bad game
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2009, 04:58:14 PM »
They actually got too drunk to play last session...

Why the fuck are you playing with these people?!

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« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2009, 05:09:06 PM »
Well, to be perfectly honest, I'm in the millitary.  Now, I don't want to talk bad about my compatriots at all, but trust me, it's not what the recruiters make it out to be.  To some extent (a greater extent) the bottom 10% rule applies.  Those that can, do.  Those that can't, join the military.  Bottom line, I'm stuck in VA beach, I leave way too much to get a solid group of civillian gamers, and people in the navy are more about beer than intelligent, imaginative entertainment.  To be honest, I was just happy to find a group.

However, what we're doing can't be called gameing, just wasting time.  Therefore, screw it.  I'd like to think I'm a good DM, GM, or whatever, but it's hard to tell if the group sucks.  I'm getting really close to getting out, and when I do I'm planning on opening up a game shop dedicated towards tabletops.  It's a passion, what can I say?  Doubt it'll make me rich, but there's more to life than that.  Thus, I kinda looked at running this game as an oppertunity to practice dm skills.

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Re: pee pee doo doo 4E is a bad game
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2009, 05:45:38 PM »
As lame as it may sound, you might want to try http://www.meetup.com to find like minded gamers in your area, posting ads at local game stores and the like. Good luck with finding a good group of gamers.
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Re: pee pee doo doo 4E is a bad game
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2009, 06:13:45 PM »
Well, to be perfectly honest, I'm in the millitary.

Ah.

Anyway, I think it's great you want to play other things and it's a shame you have a limited pool to draw from. Like xHero says, you can try finding people online, either to game online or meet up in RL.

My old recruiting method of carrying my books around in public to try and catch gamer eyes worked out pretty poorly, though I did get some good gaming out of the freaks I managed to hook before they exploded all over each other and the group disolved... so I don't really recommend that method.

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« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2009, 06:41:44 PM »
Definately looking into the online thing, and my wife just started work at a book store and a bunch of the employees are gamers.  Nothing wrong with a 30% discount and some new blood at the table lol. 

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« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2009, 06:44:41 PM »
Definately looking into the online thing, and my wife just started work at a book store and a bunch of the employees are gamers.  Nothing wrong with a 30% discount and some new blood at the table lol. 

Wow, 30% goes a long way over a short time with roleplaying books. I mean if I could get a 30% discount in a store I'd basically never use Amazon again.

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« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2009, 07:07:06 PM »
I know, it helps when you marry a gamer right?!?  But hey, amazon isn't the worst, and they have a fairly good selection...  So far I think I own most of the 4E books out there. 

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« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2009, 07:25:40 PM »
I think I'm going to create a porn site dedicated to 30% of game corebook fetishists... www.wenchesofthecoast.com?
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« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2009, 07:50:34 PM »
I think I'm going to create a porn site dedicated to 30% of game corebook fetishists... www.wenchesofthecoast.com?

How much does you charge per month?

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« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2009, 09:08:36 PM »
um...30%off?!?
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« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2009, 11:14:07 PM »
um...30%off?!?

I'm convinced. Do you take blank checks?

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« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2009, 11:35:02 PM »
um...30%off?!?

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