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: Uses for an immovable rod
: malyss April 05, 2010, 04:26:18 PM
1) If you get swallowed whole, activate the rod before trying to get yourself out.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Boyos April 05, 2010, 04:35:57 PM
It wont move but its still inside of the monster. So the monster moves its going to move with the monster, I dont see the point in that one. Atleast thats how I would see it.
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: clockworkjoe April 05, 2010, 04:47:24 PM
they are great ways to shut up annoying physics majors at the table.

"Okay you have 3 immovable rods, some rope, a few pulleys and you need to move this treasure chest down a 500 foot sheer cliff without dropping it. The wind is blowing 14 miles south by southwest. Okay when you're done with that you can join the rest of the group while we talk to the king."
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: ArtfulShrapnel April 05, 2010, 04:49:16 PM
It wont move but its still inside of the monster. So the monster moves its going to move with the monster, I dont see the point in that one. Atleast thats how I would see it.

Immovable rods are stationary relative to the planet not to their holder. You leave the rod in the monster's stomach, it stays stationary, pinning the monster in space by its guts. Pretty nasty move.

Some other uses:

Affix a siege crossbow (or similarly retarded weapon) to it on a pintle mount. Use it as a portable steady firing position
Activate it inside of a Bag of Holding. Attempt to move the bag. Ask the GM what happens
Tie activation to a command word and use it to support thousands of tons of rocks, or the party, as part of an elaborate trap
Build a skyhook using the rod as a foundation
Support a skyscraper from the top and bottom
Emergency Brakes
Weld it into a warforged: use it as a restraining bolt
Weld it onto a slave collar: See above
Combine with Acrobatics: freerun to infinity
Block a sturdy door
Use two as an infinite ladder you can climb with your hands
Attach it to a shield and activate it when you think you're gonna get hit.
Drop one inside a boat you don't like before they leave port
If being chased in a carriage, lean down behind your carriage and activate the rod in midair (for bonus points, make it invisible)
Use it as a weapon hilt: Create the Sword in the Stone
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Flawless P April 05, 2010, 04:58:33 PM

Activate it inside of a Bag of Holding. Attempt to move the bag. Ask the GM what happens

Nothing Happens, The Bag of Holding opens into an extra dimensional space therefore the rod technically never moves.

GM 1
Player 0
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: Setherick April 05, 2010, 05:06:36 PM
they are great ways to shut up annoying physics majors at the table.

"Okay you have 3 immovable rods, some rope, a few pulleys and you need to move this treasure chest down a 500 foot sheer cliff without dropping it. The wind is blowing 14 miles south by southwest. Okay when you're done with that you can join the rest of the group while we talk to the king."

Make that a rope of climbing and I'm in.

I once came up with a multiderivative equation to while we were studying for a Calc II final to determine the force it would take to pull a monkey that weighed x-grams up a rope, while the monkey climbed the rope and simultaneously urinated thus losing x-grams per second. In a two dimensional plane, this only works if the monkey pisses perpendicular to the rope. For a three dimensional plane, you have to add in a separate derivative to account for degree of urination pushing the monkey away from or toward the building and the wind speed blowing the monkey and the urine.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Tadanori Oyama April 05, 2010, 05:18:19 PM
Quick release trigger is what comes to mind for me. As I remember an Immovable Rod will only support five thousand pounds of weight before it starts to respond to the acting force. So, your carrying around five thousand pounds of stopping force that you can apply (or remove) at a moment's notice.

You could use it as an improved version of alot of construction equipment. A sheet of metal and a rod could be used to quickly redirect the flow of water if your wizard doesn't have the right spells ready.

You could play a great pratical joke on a water skier.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: ArtfulShrapnel April 05, 2010, 05:22:41 PM
Activate it inside of a Bag of Holding. Attempt to move the bag. Ask the GM what happens

Nothing Happens, The Bag of Holding opens into an extra dimensional space therefore the rod technically never moves.

GM 1
Player 0

Well that's boring. :( I was hoping for someone to take advantage of that and come up with something cool.

Maybe it works for several hundred miles before the rod finally passes through the edge of the extradimensional space (which moves along with you, but might also be moving relative to something else). By becoming stable, your extradimensional space becomes a plane, and begins to develop alignments and laws of physics: hilarity ensues. Your rod tears a hole through the side of the bag, opening a portal to the Plane of Discarded Stuff. The immovability of your mini-plane upsets the cosmology of a tiny plane of Order, who seek revenge on you as a giant Outsider who seeks to destroy the heavens...

The possibilities there are endless.

Also I think you scored that wrong. The GM doesn't win by having nothing happen. That's Grognards.txt thinking.

GM 0
Player 0
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Kroack April 05, 2010, 05:30:14 PM
1) If you get swallowed whole, activate the rod before trying to get yourself out.


So wait, if the monster moves will it get a gigantic rod shaped hole in the side of its gut?
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: ArtfulShrapnel April 05, 2010, 05:48:54 PM
1) If you get swallowed whole, activate the rod before trying to get yourself out.


So wait, if the monster moves will it get a gigantic rod shaped hole in the side of its gut?

It would have to make a strength check I think. To rip through its own gut. :)

But yes, if it passed, that's what would happen.

The effect is particularly noticeable on large, fast, flying creatures. If you can get the angles right, you can escape and kill (or at least seriously distress) the monster with a single activation.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Tadanori Oyama April 05, 2010, 05:58:27 PM
The effect is particularly noticeable on large, fast, flying creatures. If you can get the angles right, you can escape and kill (or at least seriously distress) the monster with a single activation.

That sounds like a Plan B move if I ever heard one.
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: Dogfish April 05, 2010, 08:06:16 PM
Have two pits dug on opposite sides of the planet and insert several 'bundles' of immovable rods. If anything it could be a measure of the force of the planets rotation.

I'd probably, as a DM, just use it for very boring but practical reasons. Like accurate milestones to develope scaled maps.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Flawless P April 05, 2010, 08:43:24 PM
Activate it inside of a Bag of Holding. Attempt to move the bag. Ask the GM what happens

Nothing Happens, The Bag of Holding opens into an extra dimensional space therefore the rod technically never moves.

GM 1
Player 0

Well that's boring. :( I was hoping for someone to take advantage of that and come up with something cool.

Maybe it works for several hundred miles before the rod finally passes through the edge of the extradimensional space (which moves along with you, but might also be moving relative to something else). By becoming stable, your extradimensional space becomes a plane, and begins to develop alignments and laws of physics: hilarity ensues. Your rod tears a hole through the side of the bag, opening a portal to the Plane of Discarded Stuff. The immovability of your mini-plane upsets the cosmology of a tiny plane of Order, who seek revenge on you as a giant Outsider who seeks to destroy the heavens...

The possibilities there are endless.

Also I think you scored that wrong. The GM doesn't win by having nothing happen. That's Grognards.txt thinking.

GM 0
Player 0

Good call ; )
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Mckma April 05, 2010, 09:44:28 PM
use it as a torture device puting it up high and activate it than lift a person up and stick the rod in there mouth
hopefully it would rip the top of thier head from thier jaw

You don't need an immovable rod to do that, not a very creative use for it...
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: Vega Baby April 06, 2010, 02:00:15 AM
A bit over the top but:

Stealthily replace the enemy stronghold's shipment of arrows and bolts with cleverly disguised immovable rods, and set the command word to activate them to be someone shouting the word "FIRE!"  Congratulations, you've just disabled all of the enemy force's archers.

Affix blades to the ends of the immovable rods.  Now you can pin an opponent's arm in any situation

Place the immovable rod in front of a door you want to remain shut for a quick and easy barring.   Add another invisible one at ankle level for added hilarity.

Build your citadel entirely out of immovable rods.  It is now indestructible, or at least nearly so.

Attach immovable rods to your boots, and have them activated by thought. Now you can walk on water AND air.  Have similar rods placed throughout your armor, and you could even possibly walk on walls and ceilings somewhat comfortably.

You're a lich.  Make your phylactery an immovable rod, and throw it into space, or a volcano if you can make it and yourself impervious to heat, or somewhere else equally difficult to get to.  Surround it with several identical immovable rods.  Make every rod deactivated by a different code word that only you know, and, of course, make them all only destroyable in the fires of Mount Doom, or somewhere else unreasonable.  Anyone trying to kill you permanently will have a hell of a job doing it.

I'm betting they make damned good paperweights too.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Dawnsteel April 06, 2010, 09:21:31 AM
I used immovable rods to support climbing plants, such as tomatoes.
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: Mckma April 06, 2010, 12:27:06 PM
A bit over the top but:

Stealthily replace the enemy stronghold's shipment of arrows and bolts with cleverly disguised immovable rods, and set the command word to activate them to be someone shouting the word "FIRE!"  Congratulations, you've just disabled all of the enemy force's archers.

Affix blades to the ends of the immovable rods.  Now you can pin an opponent's arm in any situation

Place the immovable rod in front of a door you want to remain shut for a quick and easy barring.   Add another invisible one at ankle level for added hilarity.

Build your citadel entirely out of immovable rods.  It is now indestructible, or at least nearly so.

Attach immovable rods to your boots, and have them activated by thought. Now you can walk on water AND air.  Have similar rods placed throughout your armor, and you could even possibly walk on walls and ceilings somewhat comfortably.

You're a lich.  Make your phylactery an immovable rod, and throw it into space, or a volcano if you can make it and yourself impervious to heat, or somewhere else equally difficult to get to.  Surround it with several identical immovable rods.  Make every rod deactivated by a different code word that only you know, and, of course, make them all only destroyable in the fires of Mount Doom, or somewhere else unreasonable.  Anyone trying to kill you permanently will have a hell of a job doing it.

I'm betting they make damned good paperweights too.


Heh heh, saving the best for last I see...
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: ArtfulShrapnel April 06, 2010, 01:01:54 PM
A bit over the top but:

Stealthily replace the enemy stronghold's shipment of arrows and bolts with cleverly disguised immovable rods, and set the command word to activate them to be someone shouting the word "FIRE!"  Congratulations, you've just disabled all of the enemy force's archers.


I really like that one. Expensive though... A nice touch would be to make the deactivation code something really difficult. (like, they only deactivate at your touch) After you win the battle, the hundreds of floating rods will be a symbol of your cunning and might for centuries to come.

Guards along the stronghold walls will also likely use them as a convenient coathanger or place to lean against. Lazy guards... :(

That's for the millionaire wizard wizard who wants to send a message.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Tadanori Oyama April 06, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
If you've got the money and the time, a dozen Immovable Rods and Invisiblity spells make for a changeable Blind Sight training course.
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: ethan_dawe April 06, 2010, 01:29:30 PM
The ultimate weapon for bandits stopping caravans
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: ArtfulShrapnel April 06, 2010, 03:34:14 PM
If you've got the money and the time, a dozen Immovable Rods and Invisiblity spells make for a changeable Blind Sight training course.

Wouldn't just turning out the lights be about infinity times cheaper?
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Tadanori Oyama April 06, 2010, 04:08:45 PM
If you've got the money and the time, a dozen Immovable Rods and Invisiblity spells make for a changeable Blind Sight training course.
Wouldn't just turning out the lights be about infinity times cheaper?

In the same sense that a castle on the plains is just as good as a castle on a volcanic island, yes.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: ArtfulShrapnel April 06, 2010, 04:36:33 PM
If you've got the money and the time, a dozen Immovable Rods and Invisiblity spells make for a changeable Blind Sight training course.
Wouldn't just turning out the lights be about infinity times cheaper?

In the same sense that a castle on the plains is just as good as a castle on a volcanic island, yes.

Touche good sir... touche...
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Boyos April 07, 2010, 12:19:37 AM
If you built your castle on an Volcanic island and proped it up 30 feet into the air with imovable rods and used and invisablity spell it would look realy bad ass though.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: ArtfulShrapnel April 07, 2010, 07:40:54 PM
If you built your castle on an Volcanic island and proped it up 30 feet into the air with imovable rods and used and invisablity spell it would look realy bad ass though.

but immovable rods can only suport up to 5000lbs

Hence he said "rods", meaning more than one. Since they can support 5000 pounds each, you just need to collect enough of them.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Mckma April 07, 2010, 07:41:16 PM
If you built your castle on an Volcanic island and proped it up 30 feet into the air with imovable rods and used and invisablity spell it would look realy bad ass though.

but immovable rods can only suport up to 5000lbs

That's why you would use multiple.  I think any GM would allow them to be used in conjunction to hold a larger weight...
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: clockworkjoe April 07, 2010, 07:45:28 PM
again a useful distraction for physics majors

how many immovable rods does it take to hold up a fortress?
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: ArtfulShrapnel April 07, 2010, 08:14:23 PM
again a useful distraction for physics majors

how many immovable rods does it take to hold up a fortress?

One for every 5000 pounds of weight (including occupants at mass capacity)
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: Setherick April 07, 2010, 11:04:24 PM
again a useful distraction for physics majors

how many immovable rods does it take to hold up a fortress?

One for every 5000 pounds of weight (including occupants at mass capacity)

You guys don't know your physics very well. If you build a cube platform from immovable rods and then place immovable rods at 45 degree angles on the sides of the cubes, you can build a structure that would hold immeasurably more weight that the combined maximum endurance weight of the rods.

Personally, I would build a geodesic dome made from immovable rods.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Mckma April 07, 2010, 11:10:25 PM
again a useful distraction for physics majors

how many immovable rods does it take to hold up a fortress?

One for every 5000 pounds of weight (including occupants at mass capacity)

You guys don't know your physics very well. If you build a cube platform from immovable rods and then place immovable rods at 45 degree angles on the sides of the cubes, you can build a structure that would hold immeasurably more weight that the combined maximum endurance weight of the rods.

Personally, I would build a geodesic dome made from immovable rods.

Hmm...  True...

Right now I'm doing "modern physics," so I was trying to think of something clever to do with relativity and immovable rods...
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: Kroack April 07, 2010, 11:19:05 PM
how many immovable rods does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop?
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: Boyos April 08, 2010, 12:41:47 AM
3?
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: Setherick April 08, 2010, 12:42:49 AM
how many immovable rods does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop?
[(pi)r]^2 / 4?
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: ArtfulShrapnel April 08, 2010, 11:04:32 AM
again a useful distraction for physics majors

how many immovable rods does it take to hold up a fortress?

One for every 5000 pounds of weight (including occupants at mass capacity)

You guys don't know your physics very well. If you build a cube platform from immovable rods and then place immovable rods at 45 degree angles on the sides of the cubes, you can build a structure that would hold immeasurably more weight that the combined maximum endurance weight of the rods.

I think you're assuming that immovable rods would brace against whatever they brace against in the the same way that physical supports would brace against the earth. In that case you would apply all the downward force to the central platform, which would exert it against the ground, effectively removing it. In this case there's still the issue that all the mass is being supported by the magical energy of the rods, regardless of how the downward force is distributed against various elements of the construction.

Perhaps a good analogy to an actual physical construction would be if we thought of the building as hanging by a cable that can support exactly 5000*n pounds before breaking. (n being the number of rods used in the construction) It doesn't matter how we build the attachment point for the cable, it will still snap if the building weighs more than it can support.

The setup you described it very useful, however, since it reduces the chances the building would become unbalanced and helps make it more structurally sound. It would distribute any unbalanced weight (from, say, a visiting dragon) onto the central platform so all the supporting rods would bear a fraction of the added weight.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: malyss April 08, 2010, 02:32:35 PM
You guys are killing this...

This is why I hate physics majors...

Also, I propose to change the name of the rod to "The really hard to move rod."

Also, for your castle construction, why wouldn't you just use permanent walls of force? They don't have a weight restriction and also have a much larger surface area (so it would in effect be cheaper).
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Setherick April 08, 2010, 02:47:57 PM
You guys are killing this...

This is why I hate physics majors...

I'm not a physics major.
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: Tadanori Oyama April 08, 2010, 03:05:51 PM
You guys are killing this...

Hey, do didn't say good uses for an immovable rod.

Bungie jumping with a HALO lead up. Have somebody with Overland Flight (or any friendly high altitude flier) give you a lift and leap off with your stupidly long bungie cord tied to a Rod. Active the rod in middle air and enjoy the ride.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: malyss April 09, 2010, 09:24:29 AM
Why am I picturing a stealth insertion into the enemy fortress by a bunch of PC's via rod-drop? Nobody ever thinks someone will climb down to their mountain fortress...
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: Arje April 09, 2010, 11:04:56 AM
Why am I picturing a stealth insertion into the enemy fortress by a bunch of PC's via rod-drop? Nobody ever thinks someone will climb down to their mountain fortress...

I do... that's why all of my fortresses have a roof covered in anti-magic shells. It's expensive, but you can't skimp on quality.
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: Tadanori Oyama April 09, 2010, 11:31:25 AM
I do... that's why all of my fortresses have a roof covered in anti-magic shells. It's expensive, but you can't skimp on quality.

Which is why the bungie-rod idea is so brilliant.

Hit the rod above the anti-magic, bungie to the ground, cut the line at the exact moment of maximum desending tension, and your in. You have no way out but your in.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Setherick April 09, 2010, 12:56:03 PM
I do... that's why all of my fortresses have a roof covered in anti-magic shells. It's expensive, but you can't skimp on quality.

Which is why the bungie-rod idea is so brilliant.

Hit the rod above the anti-magic, bungie to the ground, cut the line at the exact moment of maximum desending tension, and your in. You have no way out but your in.

You haven't watched enough Bond movies. You never need an plan. You just egress.
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: ArtfulShrapnel April 09, 2010, 01:03:09 PM
I do... that's why all of my fortresses have a roof covered in anti-magic shells. It's expensive, but you can't skimp on quality.

Which is why the bungie-rod idea is so brilliant.

Hit the rod above the anti-magic, bungie to the ground, cut the line at the exact moment of maximum desending tension, and your in. You have no way out but your in.

You haven't watched enough Bond movies. You never need an plan. You just egress.

The plan in bond movies is usually "make the building not exist". With explosions.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Setherick April 09, 2010, 01:07:34 PM
I do... that's why all of my fortresses have a roof covered in anti-magic shells. It's expensive, but you can't skimp on quality.

Which is why the bungie-rod idea is so brilliant.

Hit the rod above the anti-magic, bungie to the ground, cut the line at the exact moment of maximum desending tension, and your in. You have no way out but your in.

You haven't watched enough Bond movies. You never need an plan. You just egress.

The plan in bond movies is usually "make the building not exist". With explosions.

But you must still egress before you can blow the building.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Arje April 09, 2010, 01:39:42 PM
You haven't seen enough bond movies. You can just walk away slowly from the building and as long as you don't look back you'll be fine.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Tadanori Oyama April 09, 2010, 01:57:42 PM
You haven't seen enough bond movies. You can just walk away slowly from the building and as long as you don't look back you'll be fine.

But only if your on your way to have sex with somebody. It's similiar to the Captain Kirk defense.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Kroack April 09, 2010, 07:48:51 PM
Okay...

But why not use an actual club?
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: ArtfulShrapnel April 10, 2010, 12:34:20 AM
Okay...

But why not use an actual club?


{anime crap}


>:[

The point is to come up with interesting uses that take advantage of the unique properties of the magic rod thingy. Also that anime looks awful.

: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: ArtfulShrapnel April 10, 2010, 03:16:44 AM
that anime looks awful.

you probably just hate animie an you are taking it out on me
and nothing was ever said about the uses needing to be using its abilities
and if your getting pissed cause i am taking up room with my comments than look at how much room it takes to reply to me
God!,I LOVE being a troll!

I happen to quite like many anime. FLCL is a gem, Bebop is a classic, and Outlaw Star is good times all around. That one looks ugly and derivative.

God! I LOVE reporting people who admit to being trolls! ~reported~
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Tadanori Oyama April 10, 2010, 03:22:10 AM
You should check out Genshiken. Best slice of life anime directed at nerds I've ever seen. I'm actually watching the episodes multipul times the whole way through.
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: clockworkjoe April 10, 2010, 02:05:25 PM
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: clockworkjoe April 10, 2010, 03:15:50 PM
oh hi order66

I wish that made sense
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: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Kroack April 10, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
oh hi order66

I wish that made sense
EDIT:Wrong thread
Ross this is my song!
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: ArtfulShrapnel April 10, 2010, 05:32:48 PM
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On a related note. Use for an immovable rod. Use several to anchor a floating city in the middle of the deep ocean.
: Re: Uses for an immovable rod
: Tadanori Oyama April 10, 2010, 11:14:05 PM
On a related note. Use for an immovable rod. Use several to anchor a floating city in the middle of the deep ocean.

Use rod bundles or a super rod to hold a non-floating city in the city by means of a massive rope system.