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General Category => RPGs => : theoutsiders68 March 04, 2010, 01:43:00 PM
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Hi all,
I am very curious to see what your favorite class is in this version and why.
Try to give examples if you can of why you like it and why it becomes so good.
Regards
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Wizard.
I just like wizards. I find know-it-all characters interesting.
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depends on what level the game is aimed at but I lean towards casters. There was a versatile class introduced in dungeonscape the factotum, that seemed pretty interesting.
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i love clerics,druids,fighters and wizards depending on the campaign
EDIT: clerics, cause they can wear as much armor as they want and cast kick-ass spells
druids, cause i love the spells they cast like wild shape so for a moment you can take place as a fighter
fighters, cause i like the idea of being the first line of defense
and wizards cause the spells get very powerful so you can take out 12 enimies at a time(yes i am taking
about fireball)
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I enjoyed Clerics for their usefulness until I got Tomb of Battle, at which point I developed a love affair with the Warblade (and Martial Adepts in general).
They can use Martial Maneuvers, get access to Fighter only Feats, use a d12 Hit Die, and have class abilities of their own.
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Classes that I really like (just from standard classes to keep things easy), Sorcerers and Monks. But if you start counting prestige classes (which I love), and other starter classes, I don't think I could really start to narrow down...
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I play rogues and bards the most. I tend towards scoundrel characters, like Inigo Montoya and Westley scoundrel not Vizzini.
In my current 3.5 campaign I have tried a Artificer, which is just a royal pain to keep track of, too much going on... though he is also a clock work warforge gnome as well... who may or may not have been a undead litch for so long that his litch body rotted and died too... He has no memory of the litch thing though.
anyway, also Im playing a 4.0 paladin of moradin, which has been fun too.
-Scott
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I like Paladins, Rogue-Shadowdancers, and Favored Souls.
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Druid or Wizard. Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
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Druid or Wizard. Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
The Master of Many Forms prestige class was pretty epic for Druids...
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Druid or Wizard. Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
The Master of Many Forms prestige class was game breaking for Druids...
Fixed
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Druid or Wizard. Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
The Master of Many Forms prestige class was game breaking for Druids...
Fixed
Oh yes, game breaking for sure.
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I had a lot of fun as pally, but when we ran oriantal Adventures the Samuri in there was prob my number 1. My friend played as a shaman in that one, and it looked like fun but never got to play as one.
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Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
they cant cast wish, fireball or lightning bolt!
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Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
they cant cast wish, fireball or lightning bolt!
No but they can cast storm of vengeance and foresight while fighting as a HUGE FUCKING ELEMENTAL at level 20.
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Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
they cant cast wish, fireball or lightning bolt!
No but they can cast storm of vengeance and foresight while fighting as a HUGE FUCKING ELEMENTAL AT 20 LEVEL
AT 20 LEVEL it takes so freaking long to get to 20th level
i love druids AND wizards equaly
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Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
they cant cast wish, fireball or lightning bolt!
Right, those are all Wizard/Sorcerer spells. Druids can cast Call Lightning, Elemental Swarm, and Flame Strike. While in the shape of a grizzly bear.
Call Lighting does 3d6 per shot with, I believe, the same range as a Lightning Bolt and the caster can use 1 bolt per caster level per round to a maximum of 10, which would be 30d6 over ten rounds compared to the 10d6 in a single shot from an equal level wizard (who is not in grizzly bear form at the time).
That's not the point, of course, since this thread is only about what people's favorite classes are and neither druid or wizard is one of my favorites.
I personally like the simplicity of the 9th Level Martial Maneuver: Strike of Perfect Clarity, which allows the user to make one standard attack and if they hit adds 100 points of bonus damage. If you are playing a Warblade than you can do it every other round too.
Or the 5th level strike which adds 6d6 and automatically overcomes any Hardness or Damage Reduction on the target. I used that one to open doors.
I love Martial Adepts.
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Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
they cant cast wish, fireball or lightning bolt!
No but they can cast storm of vengeance and foresight while fighting as a HUGE FUCKING ELEMENTAL AT 20 LEVEL
AT 20 LEVEL it takes so freaking long to get to 20th level
i love druids AND wizards equaly
I could accept your comment more than if you got rid of wish from the list of spells you mention above since wish is a 9th level spell and the two spells I listed are also 9th level spells. Just at level 20 you can cast those spells while in wild shape as a druid. So your counter-argument of Kroack's point about druid's being able to do anything doesn't hold up. They can cast similar spells, while still acting as front line fighters.
Personally, though, my favorite classes are still paladin, rogue shadowdancer, or favored soul.
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Personally, though, my favorite classes are still paladin, rogue shadowdancer, or favored soul.
Can you cross any of those over? I don't know much about Favored Souls but do they have the elements needed to become a Shadowdancer?
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also druids can cast shapechange which lets them turn into any monster and use their supernatural abilities - sooo that's a whole lotta shit you can do with that
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FTW
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also druids can cast shapechange which lets them turn into any monster and use their supernatural abilities - sooo that's a whole lotta shit you can do with that
In my first D&D campaign one of my players, a Rogue, gained access to an artifact that allowed him to use Shapechange. He used it to turn himself into an Iron Golem and weild a Huge sword they managed to steal from an Ogre Mage. He enchanted it with Brilliant Energy so that he could wield it like a madman and never hurt himself because Iron Golems aren't organic so the blade would pass through him. Not a particularly powerful build compared to the opinions out there but an example of what one could do with the resources in a typical DnD game.
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Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
they cant cast wish, fireball or lightning bolt!
No but they can cast storm of vengeance and foresight while fighting as a HUGE FUCKING ELEMENTAL AT 20 LEVEL
AT 20 LEVEL it takes so freaking long to get to 20th level
i love druids AND wizards equaly
I could accept your comment more than if you got rid of wish from the list of spells you mention above since wish is a 9th level spell and the two spells I listed are also 9th level spells. Just at level 20 you can cast those spells while in wild shape as a druid. So your counter-argument of Kroack's point about druid's being able to do anything doesn't hold up. They can cast similar spells, while still acting as front line fighters.
Personally, though, my favorite classes are still paladin, rogue shadowdancer, or favored soul.
Wait, didn't we already have this discussion in a thread that is now locked?
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Preferably druid cuz they can do anything.
they cant cast wish, fireball or lightning bolt!
No but they can cast storm of vengeance and foresight while fighting as a HUGE FUCKING ELEMENTAL AT 20 LEVEL
AT 20 LEVEL it takes so freaking long to get to 20th level
i love druids AND wizards equaly
I could accept your comment more than if you got rid of wish from the list of spells you mention above since wish is a 9th level spell and the two spells I listed are also 9th level spells. Just at level 20 you can cast those spells while in wild shape as a druid. So your counter-argument of Kroack's point about druid's being able to do anything doesn't hold up. They can cast similar spells, while still acting as front line fighters.
Personally, though, my favorite classes are still paladin, rogue shadowdancer, or favored soul.
Wait, didn't we already have this discussion in a thread that is now locked?
Maybe people just really like to talk about this?
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Wait, didn't we already have this discussion in a thread that is now locked?
No no no no, no. See, there was an arguement in another thread but this thread is a simple sharing of information with no one stating things which are facts, only opinions. Furthermore, if there was a hypotetical arguement and it where to only be between one member and a moderator, than it isn't really an arguement.
If the rest of us just don't rely to any inflamatory remarks than there can't be a flame war.
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TAD YOU ARE A PILLAR OF THIS COMMUNITY
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TAD YOU ARE A PILLAR OF THIS COMMUNITY
Just pressin' the flesh, laying the ground work for my potential election campaign.
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TAD YOU ARE A PILLAR OF THIS COMMUNITY
Just pressin' the flesh, laying the ground work for my potential election campaign.
I already declared that you were a RPPR whore in the 50 post whore decree.
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TAD YOU ARE A PILLAR OF THIS COMMUNITY
Just pressin' the flesh, laying the ground work for my potential election campaign.
I already declared that you were a RPPR whore in the 50 post whore decree.
Whores can hold public office. Or is this not America?
Speaking of which, did anybody ever use any of the politically focused Prestige Classes out there?
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TAD YOU ARE A PILLAR OF THIS COMMUNITY
Just pressin' the flesh, laying the ground work for my potential election campaign.
I already declared that you were a RPPR whore in the 50 post whore decree.
Whores can hold public office. Or is this not America?
Speaking of which, did anybody ever use any of the politically focused Prestige Classes out there?
I wanted to, but it was easier for me to build a diplomat-combat monkey using the paladin build. My problem was that no one ever wants to play a front line soldier or a negotiator in Ross' games. That was until I left and someone had to do it. Fuckers.
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The front liner has always held a special place for me. I like playing a cleric because I had heavy armor and could heal if I got hurt so I could just wade in at the front of the fight.
Same thing with the Warblade (thought not nearly as effective) because there's a feat that allows Martial Adepts to regain some hit points when they recover their moves.
Anytime I made somebody who could talk their way out of problems I seldom got the chance to do so, so I just stopped doing it.
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In epic games, there is a whole lot more talking than fighting.
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In epic games, there is a whole lot more talking than fighting.
Well I suppose if you have the ranks to actually make someone want to negotiate than, yeah, there's more talking.
There's kind of a disconnect with your stories. Like alot of players I've never played an Epic game of 3.5 or even a really high level one. I just can't really relate to alot of these experiences you bring up.
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No wonder. It's because I'm such a great GM that I can run a truly epic game. 8) I doubt few people could equal my skills.
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In epic games, there is a whole lot more talking than fighting.
Well I suppose if you have the ranks to actually make someone want to negotiate than, yeah, there's more talking.
There's kind of a disconnect with your stories. Like alot of players I've never played an Epic game of 3.5 or even a really high level one. I just can't really relate to alot of these experiences you bring up.
I keep trying to convince Ross to run an epic game via skype and maptools that would focus on social skills instead of combat.
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I keep trying to convince Ross to run an epic game via skype and maptools that would focus on social skills instead of combat.
As someone who's only played two Skype based games and never been in an Epic 3.5 game, I have to say that sounds like it would be horrible.
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Real Life: The definitive social game.
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Real Life: The definitive social game.
But...then I'd have to face people.
I JUST CAN'T HANDLE THEIR CRITICISM.
NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME.
Oh, and I do have to say, I've never played in an Epic level game ever.
But slightly more on topic, less derailed, my favorite class would have to be the cleric. Combat support unit, heals your team, and can fight. I like that.
I generally avoid prestige classes, but I did enjoy the Dualist. It was a delightful change from my cleric days.
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I keep trying to convince Ross to run an epic game via skype and maptools that would focus on social skills instead of combat.
As someone who's only played two Skype based games and never been in an Epic 3.5 game, I have to say that sounds like it would be horrible.
I would rather use 4E for an epic game anyway
honestly Iron Heroes is the only d20/3E system I would run these days - I am going to use wild talents instead of M&M
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In epic games, there is a whole lot more talking than fighting.
Well I suppose if you have the ranks to actually make someone want to negotiate than, yeah, there's more talking.
There's kind of a disconnect with your stories. Like alot of players I've never played an Epic game of 3.5 or even a really high level one. I just can't really relate to alot of these experiences you bring up.
I keep trying to convince Ross to run an epic game via skype and maptools that would focus on social skills instead of combat.
You can easly run 5 players on a free vent server. shouldent take too much time setting it up and the quality coming out sounds so much better.
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In epic games, there is a whole lot more talking than fighting.
Well I suppose if you have the ranks to actually make someone want to negotiate than, yeah, there's more talking.
There's kind of a disconnect with your stories. Like alot of players I've never played an Epic game of 3.5 or even a really high level one. I just can't really relate to alot of these experiences you bring up.
I keep trying to convince Ross to run an epic game via skype and maptools that would focus on social skills instead of combat.
You can easly run 5 players on a free vent server. shouldent take too much time setting it up and the quality coming out sounds so much better.
I like vent quite a bit. The most people I've been on a vent server with was probably 15 though.
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Ive been threw 50+ on a single vent but you have to pay for anything more then a 5 man server. So unless ross wants to shell out more money for something hes gonna only use once it would be a waste. After listing to Tads Rogue Trader game, wich was great, but the problems they had with skype and other pod cast I have listend to on skype, It just seems clear to me that a Free hosted Vent server would be a better option, with ross having 3+ computers it would be easy to set one up as his vent server hosting his group of 5 people in a podcast.
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Ive been threw 50+ on a single vent but you have to pay for anything more then a 5 man server. So unless ross wants to shell out more money for something hes gonna only use once it would be a waste. After listing to Tads Rogue Trader game, wich was great, but the problems they had with skype and other pod cast I have listend to on skype, It just seems clear to me that a Free hosted Vent server would be a better option, with ross having 3+ computers it would be easy to set one up as his vent server hosting his group of 5 people in a podcast.
The nice thing about vent is that it acts like a two way communicator because you have to hit a button instead of live communication, which is essential for large groups.
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at the same time you can set up your personal settings to disable the push to talk if you want, but then if your mic is good like mine it picks up my kids playing in the background.
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hell whoever pays the piper calls the tune so if they want to use vent instead of skype I will just deal
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I use Skype for my weekly 4E game alongside MapTool, and it works perfectly fine. There have been some problems with brief disconnects, but it isn't frequent enough to really disrupt gameplay.
On topic, my favorite class is Bard. Why, you ask? Two words: BARDIC KNOWLEDGE.
I don't know why, but I love playing the character who just knows about everything. Every time I roll a Bardic Knowledge check, I'm filled with childlike glee.
Beyond that, I also like Paladins, because it's fun to play a pure goody-goody every now and then, and Monks, because they're ready, willing, and able to punch a dragon in the face. ;D
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Real Life: The definitive social game.
Also, you're doing (http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2010/02/10/socializing-youre-doing-it-wrong/) it wrong (http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2010/03/07/your-facebook-friends-just-not-that-into-you/).
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3.5 is outdated and lame.
Pee-pee doo doo.
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3.5 is outdated and lame.
Pee-pee doo doo.
NO! NO! NO! JUST GO GENTLY CARESS YOURSELF!
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3.5 is outdated and lame.
Pee-pee doo doo.
I am not trying to flame but 4e makes me sick.Shame on you James Wiat >:(.
that's good to hear
This is just more proof that 4E is a good game.
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3.5 is outdated and lame.
Pee-pee doo doo.
I am not trying to flame but 4e makes me sick.Shame on you James Wiat >:(.
that's good to hear
This is just more proof that 4E is a good game.
really what was he thinking the whole game is skrewing around with minis and the RP element is gone
why do you need to make crits so easy to get? i mean why dont you need to confirm it i mean how often would you really get a critical hit in real life?
Uhhh...3E is heavily reliant on minis and a grid. Have you even listened to the New World campaign? There's a lot of good RP in it and it is in 4E.
What does real life have to do with a fantasy game with magic and wizards and dragons
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3.5 is outdated and lame.
Pee-pee doo doo.
I am not trying to flame but 4e makes me sick.Shame on you James Wiat >:(.
that's good to hear
This is just more proof that 4E is a good game.
really what was he thinking the whole game is skrewing around with minis and the RP element is gone
why do you need to make crits so easy to get? i mean why dont you need to confirm it i mean how often would you really get a critical hit in real life?
Technically you do need to confirm a critical hit. It is only a critical if the roll of a 20 plus the modifiers would result in a hit. To me this is somewhat more reasonable. Basically what it is in my mind is rarely when you are fighting, you'll do something really well (nat 20). This is always a hit, no matter what (so you could be facing one of the best guys ever, but you'll still hit), so to somewhat balance that, they make it a crit if you would have hit already (to make up for the fact that you didn't really need the auto hit). Plus the critical hit is not nearly as potentially devestating as before (rolling the damage again). To me the idea was make critical more of a "really good hit" not necessarily a "critical" hit. In the end, I think it largely averages out (with the possible exception of really good rapiers with extended crit ranges from 3.5)...
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i am not flaming in any way i am just clarifing myself
Ross,3e can be miniature/graph dependant or not depending on the dm just go flip through your 3e books and see the miniatures are completly optional.in 4e it even puts speed into "squares" you need to transfer that to feet if you want to play with no grid.
it really comes down to preferance and the way you play witch is better but soon this will be behind us and we will have 5e!(I don't know when i hope soon for my sake and for you if you don't like 5e keep playing 4e like i was made to play 3e when there was 4e being played elsewhere)
and Ross, it is a fantasy world but the laws of physics still are in affect so it should be as easy to get a critical hit in real life as it is in D&D
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I could be compleatly wrong, but I think ross's point is, Its a game, and you play it how you want to play it, as he has proven that 4e can still be heavy RP, and less action, granted its built around Minis and a Grid map, but the only time he uses that is in combat, a game is how you the DM/Player makes it, not how the books may be written for it. Just like in CoC you could easly have minis and a grid in it and do nothing but fights all day, Prob lose 10 Sheets of paper due to death but you still could do it.
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Technically you do need to confirm a critical hit. It is only a critical if the roll of a 20 plus the modifiers would result in a hit. To me this is somewhat more reasonable. Basically what it is in my mind is rarely when you are fighting, you'll do something really well (nat 20). This is always a hit, no matter what (so you could be facing one of the best guys ever, but you'll still hit), so to somewhat balance that, they make it a crit if you would have hit already (to make up for the fact that you didn't really need the auto hit). Plus the critical hit is not nearly as potentially devestating as before (rolling the damage again). To me the idea was make critical more of a "really good hit" not necessarily a "critical" hit. In the end, I think it largely averages out (with the possible exception of really good rapiers with extended crit ranges from 3.5)...
There is a lower overall damage possibily at the lowest levels of Heroic Tier, when compared to 3.5 Critial hits. A 4E crit does maximum on any dice you rolled with the attack, weapon dice, power dice, and class feature (ie sneak attack) dice. Where it really changes and 4E critical hits become something quite stunning, is with magical equipment and some class powers.
All weapons with magical bonuses grant bonus dice to the damage on a crit. These additional dice aren't automatically at maximum and their size depends on the weapon (a basic enchantment gains 1d6 per +1 on the weapon). Similarly, if you are using a weapon with the "High Crit" quality than you can get alot of dice.
A 4E Fighter at 1st level with a longsword rolls roughly 1d8+4 for damage (+5 if he took weapon focus or whatever else, there's lot of ways to get more damage in 4E). So, on a crit that 1st level Fighter does 12 damage.
If that Fighter had been using a Scimitar (1d6+4 normal damage), which has High Crit, than a critical hit would do 10 + 1d6 because High Crit allows you to roll the base damage die one addition time per Tier (Heroic=1, Paragon=2, Epic=3).
If the Fighter keeps the Scimitar and then gets an enchanted version, let's call it a +1 basic, than on a Crit he would get 10+2d6, one for the High Crit and one for the +1 on the sword.
And it only goes uo fromn there.
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All weapons with magical bonuses grant bonus dice to the damage on a crit. These additional dice aren't automatically at maximum and their size depends on the weapon (a basic enchantment gains 1d6 per +1 on the weapon). Similarly, if you are using a weapon with the "High Crit" quality than you can get alot of dice.
Most weapons.
There are some that don't grant bonus damage dice, and the type of bonus dice vary.
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I haven't seen any magic weapons that do not grant bonus dice on a crit. Are they in Aventure's Vault?
Die types do vary, they nearly always trend upwards from d6s, some in specific circumstances, such as going from d6s to d10s if you score a critical against a certain kind of creature.
I have not seen any that have +d4s on crits. I could be wrong.
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Jagged weapons apply a ongoing X(save ends) amount of damage, X depending on the level of the item
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Jagged weapons apply a ongoing X(save ends) amount of damage, X depending on the level of the item
As a property. I believe the weapons with jagged get +d8 for the critical bonus. Those are fun. My brother prefers the Withering Enhancement, which lowers the AC of the enemy each time you hit the target.
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From the compendium
Critical: Ongoing 10 damage (save ends)
Property: This weapon scores critical hits on a 19 or 20.
I love using this weapon with an avenger. ~25% crit rate, hell yes.
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Oh, there's an actual Jagged enhancement. When I searched the Compendium for "Jagged" I just kept getting weapons with jagged in their descriptions.