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General Category => General Chaos => : rayner23 December 16, 2010, 12:26:58 PM
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http://boycott-thor.com/
http://cofcc.org/
Seriously, fuck all of these people so fucking hard.
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I'll admit to being a little annoyed when they cast Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin but this is ridiculous.
These guys are just plain retarded.
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I'm sad that i share the same homeland as these idiots.
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So I try to understand a lot of things and I usually can. I can see someone being upset because a popular figure is cast largely because they are popular (kind of like Michael Cera in Scott Pilgrim or Seth Green in Green Hornet), or being upset because someone doesn't really look like or fit well for a part (for whatever reasons, even if it is a racial/ethnic discrepancy). I could even see claiming it's politically motivated (which it may in fact be). But I don't get trying to play a "reverse racism" card. Or at least calling it an "attack" on "white mythology" like they do...
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I like the Marvel tab on the blog, where it seems to imply that being lampooned in a comic book is a major threat.
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Its looks silly to have him in there, ie Robinhood. If you are just adding someone because you want some ethnic diversity at least have the character fit the story you are telling. However I agree that those opinions about attacking white culture and such are dumb.
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Its looks silly to have him in there, ie Robinhood. If you are just adding someone because you want some ethnic diversity at least have the character fit the story you are telling.
Agreed, casting actors simply to make a movie more diverse is not a tactic I support.
I also don't think the narrative of the story should limit the actors who want to be involved, only their ability act. I think they should just cast the best actor who tries out for the part. If you need them to be white, black, or purple for the story than just recolor them in post production. CGI, wave of the... well, of the past frankly since it's been used in major motion pictures for the last thirty years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television).
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Its looks silly to have him in there, ie Robinhood. If you are just adding someone because you want some ethnic diversity at least have the character fit the story you are telling. However I agree that those opinions about attacking white culture and such are dumb.
uh huh
Jesus was a Galilean Jew so he most likely looked like a person of middle Eastern descent. Yet, he's commonly depicted as a white man.
Vikings brought Native Americans to Iceland 1000 years ago and had kids with some of them http://www.ancestor.com/dna/vikings-brought-native-americans-to-iceland-1000-years-ago/ plus the fact that the vikings fucked pretty much any women they could get their hands on (looting and pillaging) I doubt they actually believed in the neo-nazi bullshit assholes like this guy does
Contemporary racist ideology did not exist in the middle ages - people cared more about what nation you were you from than what race you were - not to say that racism didn't exist - but the beliefs and attitudes of the vikings ARE REALLY FUCKING DIFFERENT than what you or I believe or think. - Who's to say the Vikings wouldn't have had a black or a mixed race viking with them? "Oh yeah, he looks different but he fights well so fuck it"
Shakespeare's plays have been performed countless times yet some of the best performances have been radical remakes - Kurosawa's Ran and Throne of Blood come to mind.
SO
I am assuming that the Asgardians in Thor came to earth a long time ago and influenced our culture - leading to the norse myths - so it makes more sense that the Asgardians DO NOT match norse mythology perfectly - what story is perfectly retold in oral tradition over 1000 years?
ALSO
As an artist, I applaud them actually trying to come up with a unique VISION for Thor and the Asgardians - it's a helluva a lot better than being a boring ass LOTR wannabe movie.
I prefer movies that have more diversity because they are more INTERESTING than another cookie cutter hollywood by the numbers piece of shit boring ass formulaic CGI laden piece of dreck.
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Ross said everything I wanted to say.
AAAAAAMEN!!!!!
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Clockworkjoe, this isn't a Norse tale. Its Marvel. However putting that aside, I agree that Norse Gods don't need to be white bread, Hitler youth poster boys. But he's the only black guy I saw among the Asgardians. He stands out like a sore thumb. It shouts, I am only here because I am black.
I'm sure there have been lots of white people who have played Othello, but if the only reason you cast the white guy is because you want to have a token white face in the play then I don't like it.
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Clockworkjoe, this isn't a Norse tale. Its Marvel. However putting that aside, I agree that Norse Gods don't need to be white bread, Hitler youth poster boys. But he's the only black guy I saw among the Asgardians. He stands out like a sore thumb. It shouts, I am only here because I am black.
I'm sure there have been lots of white people who have played Othello, but if the only reason you cast the white guy is because you want to have a token white face in the play then I don't like it.
we've only seen a few of the Asgardians in the trailer.
Also, it doesn't shout out anything like that to me. Have you considered that the actor playing Heimdall might have been the best actor to audition for the role?
In fact, I just looked up the guy playing him. Idris fucking Elba. IDRIS ELBA. He is the fucking man and an amazing actor.
So yeah, they did a pretty great job casting him.
Were you angry that James Earl Jones voiced a white dude in Star Wars?
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They link to the BNP in the sidebar
lul
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I'm saddened that Locki doesn't seem to be wearing his green outfit with giant ass gold horns. He appears to be more or a slimy emo dude.
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we've only seen a few of the Asgardians in the trailer.
Maybe we saw different trailers, but it look to me like there were a lot, although many were in armor. I suppose we will have to wait for the movie to come out before we can tell who is right. To me, if they did cast 20 white guys and 1 black person, I find that noticeable. There are a lot of good black actors out there. If acting talent was the only thing the producers were looking I would except the ratio to be more mixed. Do you disagree?
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we've only seen a few of the Asgardians in the trailer.
Maybe we saw different trailers, but it look to me like there were a lot, although many were in armor. I suppose we will have to wait for the movie to come out before we can tell who is right. To me, if they did cast 20 white guys and 1 black person, I find that noticeable. There are a lot of good black actors out there. If acting talent was the only thing the producers were looking I would except the ratio to be more mixed. Do you disagree?
Yes, yes I do.
I saw a close up of an Asian Asgardian warrior for one thing - no one's commenting on that
Also, it's hard to make out features in the 2 crowd shots - half of the asgardians are wearing helmets and the rest are in the background
BUT
If you look at the crowd scenes in 1080 HD, then you can make multiple Asgardians of color - black, Asian, etc. :O
Also casting is also a function of the schedule of the actors, bankability what they are asking for etc.
Keep in mind that world class actors are far and few between and Idris is one of them. If I were a producer, if I could get him for a good price, I would in a second.
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Stringer Bell owns all of Asgard's corners.
But, anyways, let's consider this: Thor isn't real. He never was, even when he was "real" to the Norse. As a fictional creation who has had countless stories told about him and his inbred bunch of relatives, its inevitable that many of them drift from their ostensible source material and go different places than expected by his fans. Consider Batman; he's been around for close to a century now, and you've got interpretations of him ranging from the pulpy crimefighter to the lightly goofy kindergarten version to the epic fantastic and everything in between. Thor has been around much longer and doesn't even have lawyers to protect his identity. Saying that he's supposed to be X or Y after what Jack Kirby and Marvel have done with/to him is even more absurd. I mean, is he contractually obligated to turn into a frog at some point? I mean, I'D watch that in a sequel, but I doubt Hollywood would go for it.
Also, how many times have people done Shakespeare productions with dress and casting far from what the Elizabethan Globe audience would have expected in their day? Macbeth is still Macbeth even if the cast is all morbidly obese lesbians wearing wizard hats.
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There is only one real reason why one should consider boycotting the upcoming Thor film: They neglected to include Beta-Ray Bill >:(
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There is only one real reason why one should consider boycotting the upcoming Thor film: They neglected to include Beta-Ray Bill >:(
There's still room for that in sequels, and you know it.
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I'm pretty sure I saw Fandral the Dashing, one of the Warriors Three. He's the Asgardian that looks like Carey Elwes.
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(http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/thor/366-1.jpg)
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I'm pretty sure I saw Fandral the Dashing, one of the Warriors Three. He's the Asgardian that looks like Carey Elwes.
The Warriors Three are in this movie?! FUCK! They aren't even part of Norse mythology!!! Marvel made them up for the comics!!! That's completely disrespectful of Norse mythology and the white power agenda!!!!
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I'm pretty sure I saw Fandral the Dashing, one of the Warriors Three. He's the Asgardian that looks like Carey Elwes.
The Warriors Three are in this movie?! FUCK! They aren't even part of Norse mythology!!! Marvel made them up for the comics!!! That's completely disrespectful of Norse mythology and the white power agenda!!!!
I just IMDB'd. Yeap. Warriors Three are all accounted for and are getting big enough actors that they'll have some swing in the movie. Volstagg the Enormous is played by Ray Stevenson (3rd Punisher, HBO's Rome, King Arthur)
What I think is really sad about this is that Danny Glover would have made an EXCELLENT Odin. While we're at it, RACISTS, what about women? Why can't Thor be a girl? What about female representation in male roles? Why can't we have a female Odin or a MALE SIF!
...actually Thor girl's kinda hot.
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I'm pretty sure I saw Fandral the Dashing, one of the Warriors Three. He's the Asgardian that looks like Carey Elwes.
The Warriors Three are in this movie?! FUCK! They aren't even part of Norse mythology!!! Marvel made them up for the comics!!! That's completely disrespectful of Norse mythology and the white power agenda!!!!
I just IMDB'd. Yeap. Warriors Three are all accounted for and are getting big enough actors that they'll have some swing in the movie. Volstagg the Enormous is played by Ray Stevenson (3rd Punisher, HBO's Rome, King Arthur)
What I think is really sad about this is that Danny Glover would have made an EXCELLENT Odin. While we're at it, RACISTS, what about women? Why can't Thor be a girl? What about female representation in male roles? Why can't we have a female Odin or a MALE SIF!
...actually Thor girl's kinda hot.
Along those lines (but considering that it is Shakespeare, and not comics, it might not be those lines at all), Julie Taymor's "the Tempest" features a recasting of Prospero as a woman rather than a man and people aren't upset.
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Oh yeah, dude, sometimes it works out pretty cool. I could see Prospero as a girl. In fact I'm going to look into that version of the Tempest.
Did anyone hear the rumor back in the day that Will Smith was being considered for Captain America?
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The official Popgun Chaos response - http://www.popgunchaos.com/2010/12/20/who-really-even-cares-about-heimdall/
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Stringer Bell owns all of Asgard's corners.
But, anyways, let's consider this: Thor isn't real. He never was, even when he was "real" to the Norse.
Do you mean because the people who worshiped Thor didn't have a written language (unlike say the Egyptians) we don't really know all that much about the actual religion?
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Beta-ray Bill as a grippli?
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Stringer Bell owns all of Asgard's corners.
But, anyways, let's consider this: Thor isn't real. He never was, even when he was "real" to the Norse.
Do you mean because the people who worshiped Thor didn't have a written language (unlike say the Egyptians) we don't really know all that much about the actual religion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology#Primary_sources
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Stringer Bell owns all of Asgard's corners.
But, anyways, let's consider this: Thor isn't real. He never was, even when he was "real" to the Norse.
Do you mean because the people who worshiped Thor didn't have a written language (unlike say the Egyptians) we don't really know all that much about the actual religion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology#Primary_sources
What's your point is what? Runic alphabet does not compare to Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Educate yourself
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/nordic-faq/part2_NORDEN/section-3.html (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/nordic-faq/part2_NORDEN/section-3.html)
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I am really not clear on what angle your supporting here, Ryo.
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Stringer Bell owns all of Asgard's corners.
But, anyways, let's consider this: Thor isn't real. He never was, even when he was "real" to the Norse.
Do you mean because the people who worshiped Thor didn't have a written language (unlike say the Egyptians) we don't really know all that much about the actual religion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology#Primary_sources
What's your point is what? Runic alphabet does not compare to Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Educate yourself
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/nordic-faq/part2_NORDEN/section-3.html (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/nordic-faq/part2_NORDEN/section-3.html)
you say they didn't have a written language. They did.
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I am really not clear on what angle your supporting here, Ryo.
The only angle I support?
(http://i56.tinypic.com/5uqtf8.png)
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Fuck you man. 45 degrees 4 life.
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Isn't the point of this thread that the new "Thor" movie is going to suck huge, sweaty donkey balls?
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Isn't the point of this thread that the new "Thor" movie is going to suck huge, sweaty donkey balls?
(http://i52.tinypic.com/vdohlj.png)
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Isn't the point of this thread that the new "Thor" movie is going to suck huge, sweaty donkey balls?
Not really, the point of this thread is to make fun of somebody on the internet with an opinion.
I'm optimistic about the movie. Comic movies have been on the rise recently, especially the Avenger lead up films. From the trailer I saw the action looked decent enough, the Aesir look badass, and Thor looks like a tough dude.
Odin didn't appeal to me but then he hasn't in any media I've ever actually been able to see him in. American Gods Odin was pretty cool. And, of course, Loki looking slimy in his all black outfit. *sigh*, where have you done my colorful trickster frost giant/god?
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I dunno, I'm kinda done with superhero movies. I want too much from them and I think they suffer focusing too much on being yet another megafranchise, megastar, moneymaking engine than to pay respects to the original work.
I think Thor's gonna suck, I think Captain America's going to suck (What you say? Another undisciplined character full of snark and boyish good looks that has to face the responsibility of being a hero? Ironman/Greenlantern/Johnnystorm/CaptainAmerica/GhostRider/etc blah), but I think Avengers is going to be a fucking monsterhouse of awesome.
Until then I wait for Guillermo Del Toro's "Mountains of Madness" movie.
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Joke goes ***poof***?! Ohhh mumzy!
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I am vaguely reminded of the sickening travesty that was the Clash Of The Titans remake from what little I've seen of the impending Thor movie. I've got this feeling that the new Thor flick will make the Thor-girl from Adventures In Babysitting look like an academy award winner...
I don't know, but I feel like Thor was one of the last, GOOD, unmolested properties from my childhood (man, oh man did I love those old Thor comics from the late 80s - just classic!) and now Hollywood has got it's hooks into it.
A few big name actors, state of the art CGI and a gazillion dollar budget doesn't guarantee a winner: look at Ang Lee's Hulk movie. Sure it was interesting to watch, but it was ultimately hollow - not to mention the fact that Mr. Lee completely ass-fucked the source material!
Feel free to blast away while I opine about the "good ole' days"...
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hey speaking of Clash of the Titans
why was no one bothered that Zeus was played by an Irish actor?
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Idris Elbas as Heimdall?
Now that's a Norse of a different color!
:D :D :D
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hey speaking of Clash of the Titans
why was no one bothered that Zeus was played by an Irish actor?
Everything about that movie bothered me...
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In the future, all movies set in the fantastic will be performed with the SCREAMISH accent. For those of you unfamiliar with this accent, it consists of the speaker simply screaming at the top of their lungs for the duration of their dialogue.
It will be hours and hours of dudes in chainmail armor just going AAARRRRRRRIIIEEEEE and OOOOOUUURRRRGGGHHH at each other. Occasionally, a regal queen will enter the frame and say EEEEEEEEEEEEEE, but Hollywood knows people go to the movies for action, not plot, so those scenes will be brief and far between.
http://www.metafilter.com/98784/Black-Jesus-approves
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In the future, all movies set in the fantastic will be performed with the SCREAMISH accent. For those of you unfamiliar with this accent, it consists of the speaker simply screaming at the top of their lungs for the duration of their dialogue.
It will be hours and hours of dudes in chainmail armor just going AAARRRRRRRIIIEEEEE and OOOOOUUURRRRGGGHHH at each other. Occasionally, a regal queen will enter the frame and say EEEEEEEEEEEEEE, but Hollywood knows people go to the movies for action, not plot, so those scenes will be brief and far between.
http://www.metafilter.com/98784/Black-Jesus-approves
Eh. Woulda made Spiderman 3 better.
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http://boycott-thor.com/2010/12/21/media-firestorm-day-five-and-counting/#comments
I commented as "Not getting Jiggy with it" and slammed my own website in a shameless attempt at getting more hits. Then, he responded and lied.
I do like how he called me a "typical leftist from Los Angeles."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msrkRdqLCr8
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I commented as "Not getting Jiggy with it" and slammed my own website in a shameless attempt at getting more hits. Then, he responded and lied.
I do like how he called me a "typical leftist from Los Angeles."
So now we know he's checking the comment itself but not the IP address of the commenter. Looks like Cody found a way into their operation, an unsecured access point. A back door, if you will.
I actually did use the site he referenced there to check his information. His blog is 700,000 or something so apparently more people have seen it.
I'm amused because people like looking at car wrecks too.
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Terry Bartley and I interviewed the Boycott-Thor guy via Skype and we tore his logic to shreds. I'll let you know where you can hear it.