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: alignment
: Order66 February 14, 2010, 05:00:54 PM

so are you a nuetral evil cleric of Nerull or a lawful good paladin?
: Re: alighnment
: Setherick February 14, 2010, 05:12:00 PM
I oscillate between NE and LG depending on the setting and who is running the game. I found I can play both effectively, but you'll have to ask Ross which I play better.
: Re: alignment
: Dawnsteel February 14, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
I loved my 2E druid, but God damn, I can't stand the TN alignment.  (I played him leaning NG, and the DM either consciously let it slide or didn't have the balls to call me on it.)

I'd like to think I can play the other alignments, but I tend toward LG in most cases.  (No, if I were in the Age of Masks campaign, I wouldn't have stolen the book from the library, either.)
: Re: alighnment
: KallMeKip February 14, 2010, 10:20:14 PM
I  Play Any alignment Exept for LN and TN.
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: Murph February 14, 2010, 11:27:19 PM
Help! Witches!

Alignments are silly.  However, I've been on a jerk noble kick, think the Lannisters from Fire and Ice, or Rigel from Farescape.  They allow you a good deal of options on where you can take the character, if its even crazier, or to actual redemption
: Re: alighnment
: Shallazar February 15, 2010, 05:07:14 AM
My own characters have too often been killed by wandering paladins for me to play any thing south of LN.

But I haven't played in so long, so the fear might've died down by now.
: Re: alignment
: Flawless P February 15, 2010, 01:30:59 PM
I usually play NG or CG. My only evil characters are NE I had a character that got turned into a Vampire so he went from NG to NE
: Re: alignment
: Tadanori Oyama February 15, 2010, 02:08:17 PM
I like the 4E alignment system. I play the nice straight forward Good most of the time except when I want a shady character and use Unaligned.

In 3rd Edition I played primarily True Neutral with some Lawful Neutral and Neutral Good characters.
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: Murph February 15, 2010, 03:12:43 PM
I like the 4E alignment system. I play the nice straight forward Good most of the time except when I want a shady character and use Unaligned.

In 3rd Edition I played primarily True Neutral with some Lawful Neutral and Neutral Good characters.

I'd have to disagree with you there.   The 4th ed alignment system is sort of this vestigial tail that should have been left out entirely, or expanded upon greatly.  As is, it doesn't really add anything.   Its one of the things on my short list of complaints with 4th ed.
: Re: alignment
: Tadanori Oyama February 15, 2010, 04:19:01 PM
I like it because it's about as simple as can be. I just don't use it as it exists in the books.

According to the developer's notes they wanted alignment to be something more potent in the new edition. They talk about most of the world being without alignment (unaligned) and those with a true alignment wear it like a shield. Basically, being helps Good protect you from Evil.

So, it would be more accurate for me to say I like my spin on the 4E alignment system.
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: clockworkjoe February 15, 2010, 05:19:07 PM
I like the 4E alignment system. I play the nice straight forward Good most of the time except when I want a shady character and use Unaligned.

In 3rd Edition I played primarily True Neutral with some Lawful Neutral and Neutral Good characters.

I'd have to disagree with you there.   The 4th ed alignment system is sort of this vestigial tail that should have been left out entirely, or expanded upon greatly.  As is, it doesn't really add anything.   Its one of the things on my short list of complaints with 4th ed.

D&D needs some kind of alignment system because alignments have real, tangible properties in the world. Good and Evil are just as real as fire and water and all kinds of magic shit wouldn't work if good and evil alignments didn't exist. Holy avengers, demons etc.
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: Murph February 15, 2010, 08:01:45 PM
I'd disagree.  There's no need for an anti-paladin class or dark avenger class, because you can portray evil paladin with normal paladin rules, possibly a tad of flavor rewritting (which should be done for every character, because it's fun), or change the damage types from radient to necrotic.  Also, since PCs arn't made of good or evil, why have alignments for them?  Let the monsters who are made of these things have the quality.  The whole background system, and the upcoming themes from Dark Sun will portray PCs in a much more mechanically satisfying and accurate way
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: Boyos February 16, 2010, 12:52:58 AM
I like the 4E alignment system. I play the nice straight forward Good most of the time except when I want a shady character and use Unaligned.

In 3rd Edition I played primarily True Neutral with some Lawful Neutral and Neutral Good characters.

I'd have to disagree with you there.   The 4th ed alignment system is sort of this vestigial tail that should have been left out entirely, or expanded upon greatly.  As is, it doesn't really add anything.   Its one of the things on my short list of complaints with 4th ed.

I agree with the other guys it plays well with Avengers and Pallys, outside of there it grays out a bit, but if you have good roll players they will attempt to stay close to there alignment and if they start to stray just let them know more acts like that your gonna change alignment and have posible problems.
: Re: alignment
: Tadanori Oyama February 16, 2010, 11:17:16 AM
The way I looked at alignment for 4E was that it was a visible element of characters. Unaligned people are just blanks but if you have aligned yourself with Good, than people know it just by being around you. Same with Evil. I try to make that a benefit for players and a weakness for enemies where an Evil NPC will have to go through more effort to avoid being clearly seen for what they are (though alot of really Evil individual don't care if other people know).
: Re: alignment
: Order66 February 18, 2010, 12:54:07 AM
ST ???
: Re: alignment
: Boyos February 18, 2010, 01:08:19 AM
Were not bicering were debating a topic you started. Just like the Best magic item topic. I realy like that thread you started.
: Re: alignment
: Setherick February 18, 2010, 09:35:45 AM
STOP BICKERING ABOUT WITCH ALIGIGNMENT SYSTEM YOU LIKE BETTER!! >:(

Yeah, guys, just face it. All aligignments are the same.  ;D
: Re: alignment
: Tadanori Oyama February 18, 2010, 12:09:40 PM
He's right. And we call really know the best alignment (which the poll starter didn't even list):

Batman, the Tenth Alignment.
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: Setherick February 18, 2010, 12:10:54 PM
He's right. And we call really know the best alignment (which the poll starter didn't even list):

Batman, the Tenth Alignment.

No way. Eleventh alignment: Indigo Montoya.
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: Tadanori Oyama February 18, 2010, 12:15:08 PM
He's right. And we call really know the best alignment (which the poll starter didn't even list):

Batman, the Tenth Alignment.

No way. Eleventh alignment: Indigo Montoya.

Ha!

How about Alignment Zero? "Player Character".
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: Setherick February 18, 2010, 12:20:13 PM
He's right. And we call really know the best alignment (which the poll starter didn't even list):

Batman, the Tenth Alignment.

No way. Eleventh alignment: Indigo Montoya.

Ha!

How about Alignment Zero? "Player Character".

This is the math equation that signifies player character rationality:
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn119/Setherick/epii-1.jpg)

Because, seriously, when you take an irrational plan and raise it to the power of another irrational plan times an imaginary system of logic you will of course get a real rational result - that result will just be negative.

This is why player character identity = Euler's Identity.
: Re: alignment
: Tadanori Oyama February 18, 2010, 12:40:33 PM
"Okay, so we multiply the radius by the diameter and apply an exponent equal to it's PH level and that's how many pounds of dynamite we need to use."
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: Mckma February 18, 2010, 12:43:59 PM

This is the math equation that signifies player character rationality:
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn119/Setherick/epii-1.jpg)

Because, seriously, when you take an irrational plan and raise it to the power of another irrational plan times an imaginary system of logic you will of course get a real rational result - that result will just be negative.

This is why player character identity = Euler's Identity.

That is beautiful.
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: Setherick February 18, 2010, 12:48:15 PM

This is the math equation that signifies player character rationality:
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn119/Setherick/epii-1.jpg)

Because, seriously, when you take an irrational plan and raise it to the power of another irrational plan times an imaginary system of logic you will of course get a real rational result - that result will just be negative.

This is why player character identity = Euler's Identity.

That is beautiful.

That's what we do here at RPPR. Maintaining the nerd in nerd-humor since 2004.
: Re: alignment
: clockworkjoe February 18, 2010, 01:01:04 PM
Quick! draw some stick figures and cash in on XKCD's popularity!
: Re: alignment
: Tadanori Oyama February 18, 2010, 01:38:18 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/Terren82/comic.jpg)
: Re: alignment
: clockworkjoe February 18, 2010, 01:48:26 PM
now for a political comic

(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8605/big20060619.gif)
: Re: alignment
: Tadanori Oyama February 18, 2010, 02:13:06 PM
The man has glasses for god's sake, we have to do what he says.
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: clockworkjoe February 18, 2010, 02:24:15 PM
also your stick figure comic is missing the most important xkcd element: creepy stalkerishness about some girl named megan
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: Tadanori Oyama February 18, 2010, 02:35:10 PM
also your stick figure comic is missing the most important xkcd element: creepy stalkerishness about some girl named megan

Fuck! We'll catch it in post. You can do anything with CG these days.
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: Setherick February 18, 2010, 04:37:21 PM
also your stick figure comic is missing the most important xkcd element: creepy stalkerishness about some girl named megan

Fixed it.

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn119/Setherick/comic.jpg)
: Re: alignment
: Tadanori Oyama February 18, 2010, 04:50:21 PM
Alright you get Editor credit but I still keep the Director, Writter, and Producter credits.
: Re: alignment
: Boyos February 19, 2010, 12:21:41 AM
the real question is does ross get the Roalyties for the mention of megan, and if so will it go towords the world of synnibarr?
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: Order66 February 23, 2010, 07:44:18 PM
also your stick figure comic is missing the most important xkcd element: creepy stalkerishness about some girl named megan

Fixed it.

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn119/Setherick/comic.jpg)

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

i laughfed so fucking hard

: Re: alignment
: Order66 February 28, 2010, 12:09:20 AM
nobody likes Lawful Evil?
: Re: alignment
: Boyos February 28, 2010, 12:52:47 AM
nobody likes Lawful Evil?

Too Fun to play.
: Re: alignment
: Setherick February 28, 2010, 09:57:59 AM
nobody likes Lawful Evil?

Lawful evil requires a level of maturity and consistency that I think most gamers lack. I would play it more, but I'd much rather be LG if I'm going to play a good character and NE (otherwise known as the sociopath) when I'm going to play an evil character.
: Re: alignment
: Boyos February 28, 2010, 12:44:42 PM
The only true LE person I can think of right now off the top of my head would be Emperor Palpatine. Would be fun to play a toon as him, but like setherick said to maintain that during a campain would be hard.
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: Kroack February 28, 2010, 04:35:17 PM
The only true LE person I can think of right now off the top of my head would be Emperor Palpatine. Would be fun to play a toon as him, but like setherick said to maintain that during a campain would be hard.

If you're referring to the Star Wars emperor then really? He had an entire planet devoted to sucking out people's souls. He also genocided aliens and gassed entire planets. He was like Lucas' Hitler with lightning powers.  
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: Mckma February 28, 2010, 05:55:53 PM
The only true LE person I can think of right now off the top of my head would be Emperor Palpatine. Would be fun to play a toon as him, but like setherick said to maintain that during a campain would be hard.

If you're referring to the Star Wars emperor then really? He had an entire planet devoted to sucking out people's souls. He also genocided aliens and gassed entire planets. He was like Lucas' Hitler with lightning powers.  

As I recall, he was actually used as an example of LE in one of the DnD books.  Lawful Evil is the tyrant...
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: Order66 February 28, 2010, 06:57:28 PM
The only true LE person I can think of right now off the top of my head would be Emperor Palpatine. Would be fun to play a toon as him, but like setherick said to maintain that during a campain would be hard.

If you're referring to the Star Wars emperor then really? He had an entire planet devoted to sucking out people's souls. He also genocided aliens and gassed entire planets. He was like Lucas' Hitler with lightning powers.  

yeah Hitler IS lawful evil too
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: Boyos February 28, 2010, 10:54:28 PM
The only true LE person I can think of right now off the top of my head would be Emperor Palpatine. Would be fun to play a toon as him, but like setherick said to maintain that during a campain would be hard.

If you're referring to the Star Wars emperor then really? He had an entire planet devoted to sucking out people's souls. He also genocided aliens and gassed entire planets. He was like Lucas' Hitler with lightning powers.  

He manipulated laws or made new laws for him to gain his goals. You can't get much more le then that.
: Re: alignment
: Kroack February 28, 2010, 11:04:24 PM
Gosh, here we are arguing if Emperor Palpatine is LE or not when all we really should be saying is fuck George Lucas.
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: Order66 February 28, 2010, 11:15:40 PM
Gosh, here we are arguing if Emperor Palpatine is LE or not when all we really should be saying is fuck George Lucas.

no we should say argue if he is LE
that's what theese forums are for

AND DO NOT SAY THAT ABOUT GEORGE LUCAS

or the star wars nerds will find you
: Re: alignment
: Boyos March 01, 2010, 12:52:44 AM
Gosh, here we are arguing if Emperor Palpatine is LE or not when all we really should be saying is fuck George Lucas.

If I could own a Life size bronze statue of Yoda and put it in my yard without my wife carring, I would do it. God I wish I could be George Lucas, I bet hes Nutral Good.
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: Kroack March 01, 2010, 06:33:27 PM
Gosh, here we are arguing if Emperor Palpatine is LE or not when all we really should be saying is fuck George Lucas.

If I could own a Life size bronze statue of Yoda and put it in my yard without my wife carring, I would do it. God I wish I could be George Lucas, I bet hes Nutral Good.

Fanboy.
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: Order66 March 01, 2010, 06:55:18 PM
Gosh, here we are arguing if Emperor Palpatine is LE or not when all we really should be saying is fuck George Lucas.

If I could own a Life size bronze statue of Yoda and put it in my yard without my wife carring, I would do it. God I wish I could be George Lucas, I bet hes Nutral Good.

Fanboy.

at least he wears it with pride
as do i

I AM A FANBOY TOO
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: Boyos March 02, 2010, 12:46:50 AM
Gosh, here we are arguing if Emperor Palpatine is LE or not when all we really should be saying is fuck George Lucas.

If I could own a Life size bronze statue of Yoda and put it in my yard without my wife carring, I would do it. God I wish I could be George Lucas, I bet hes Nutral Good.

Fanboy.

Your just sad that your not nerd enough to admit that it is cool!
: Re: alignment
: Kroack March 02, 2010, 06:42:54 PM
I like the original trilogy. I can even live with the prequel trilogy (fuck you Jar Jar).
But the extended universe (except for some of the books) is crap.
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: Order66 March 02, 2010, 06:52:15 PM
I like the original trilogy. I can even live with the prequel trilogy (fuck you Jar Jar).
But the extended universe (except for some of the books) is crap.

the expanded universe is the awsome
george lucas is great you just suck
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: Tadanori Oyama March 02, 2010, 07:03:48 PM
I like the original trilogy. I can even live with the prequel trilogy (fuck you Jar Jar).
But the extended universe (except for some of the books) is crap.

I just don't see how you can support more than one of the three because they all kind of poke holes in one another (especially Expanded Universe, which has a tendency to break more accepted Star Wars traditions).

: Re: alignment
: Kroack March 02, 2010, 07:25:15 PM
You got to take them for what they are, Movies.
: Re: alignment
: Order66 March 02, 2010, 08:10:36 PM
You got to take them for what they are, Movies.

there not just movies there is an expanded universe too
you know that you commented on that
: Re: alignment
: Kroack March 02, 2010, 09:12:15 PM
Goddamn, it won't shut up! Wait. I gotta calm myself down. No flame wars.
Breathe in, and out...
: Re: alignment
: Order66 March 02, 2010, 09:53:35 PM
Goddamn, it won't shut up! Wait. I gotta calm myself down. No flame wars.
Breathe in, and out...

yeah and star wars kicks ass