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Twisting H:
--- Quote from: clockworkjoe on August 24, 2016, 06:57:42 PM ---are the jade things supposed to be a reference to something or just a random crazy element?
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Good question. Don't know but given the number of references in Mad Lands I wouldn't be surprised if they were.
Maybe a KARTAS Patron could pose that question.
I don't think its a "Shining Trapezohedron" reference. Idly I wondered if Robin Laws used jade dice to roll up a bunch of stuff for the campaign world originally and decided to insert his dice as the progenitor race.
clockworkjoe:
That's probably it. Having skimmed it now, it has neat ideas but it seems to be basically unplayable as a game. Some of the monsters are definitely usable in other games, but I think the RPPR cast would rebel if I ran Mad Lands.
Twisting H:
Well I tried. And I really do appreciate you purchasing and perusing the book because I think it's fantastically creative.
Twisting H:
I recall Ross once said that Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay (WFRP) was something he'd like to try sometime.
The following advice on running WFRP is from fr0id at the Something Awful forums.
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3762659&perpage=40&pagenumber=79#post464504175
--- Quote from: fr0id" post="464504175 ---Awesome! Congrats on finding copies of Winds of Magic and Hero's Call; they're both really hard to get right now. I would really recommend finding:
the Adventurers Toolkit (rare right now but can be found at this link http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=17805467585&searchurl=sts%n3Dt%26tn%3Dadventurers%2520toolkit%26sortby%3D17 )
Signs of Faith (can get a copy at nobleknightgames for a decent price)
and Lure of Power (I can't find a copy anywhere right now; maybe try eBay?)
Here is some basic advice for organization of ALL. THAT. STUFF. I'm going to assume a worst case scenario where in a gleefully mad bit of unboxing you unpunched everything and mixed all of the cards into one massive pile.
Storage
If you're cool with it, you can probably get away with storage just being a bunch of ziplock bags (those included in the boxes and some more of your own) to separate everything out. A better solution is getting a couple of BIG (2 or 3 inch) binders, and a bunch of sheets that can hold cards. You can find these at hobby stores, game stores, and maybe even big box stores like walmart. You may also want to look into getting some kind of plastic boxes with dividers to store components in. You can find these boxes at places selling fishing equipment like tackle boxes, places selling tool equipment like boxes to hold screws and so on, or places that sell beading equipment like boxes to hold different beads.
Creatures
Creature Actions:
Use the cards in this (that list creature actions) to sort out your creature actions into piles for the creature types. You should have every creature and action type listed. Note that some of the cards it lists for creatures are technically meant for PCs to use as well, but, eh, don't worry too much about it.
http://www.orderofgamers.com/downloads/WFRP3_Cards.pdf
Creature Cards
Use this to sort out what creature goes where. Stack these together with the piles of creature cards.
http://www.orderofgamers.com/downloads/WFRP3_v2.pdf
Creature Standups
Use this component list (it's posted a few posts down in the thread) to help sort out creature standups by product. It can also help you sort the action cards. It will have pictures of all of the standups included by product, so you should be able to sort them into creatures for each chaos guide, and so on. Note that some of the standups do not match the artwork for their associated creature cards, particularly, the undead creatures in the creatures vault.
A lot of the standups will be special NPCs meant for particular adventures. I put all of the standups for each adventure into a separate bag (you should have a bunch of spare baggies from all of these boxed sets).
http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/102288-help-needed-to-separate-standups-by-product/
Now, you should be able to have all of your piles sorted so that you can quickly pull out a creature's standup, card, and action cards.
Player Stuff
Career Cards
Go ahead and sort these out alphabetically. Create two separate piles, one for the basic careers and one for the advanced careers. One of the mounted knight careers is listed as a basic one, but it should be advanced. You'll be able to tell because it will have access to something like three talent slots rather than the normal two.
Career ability cards
Same thing, sort these out alphabetically.
Talent Cards
Sort them out into three alphabetical piles, for the three types (Tactics, Focus, and something else I can't remember)
Magic Schools
Sort them out alphabetically into a pile
Action Cards
You want to have a basic sorting procedure of Melee, Ranged, Support, Spells, and Blessings. You can also use the listings in the component list from above to sort things out further within those (e.g. separating out social, support, defence, normal, duel of wits, dwarf, teamwork, and rally actions). Here's the link to the component list again.
http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/102288-help-needed-to-separate-standups-by-product/
The other bits
You'll have a bunch of those little triangle shaped tokens. You can just put them all together in a big pile or sort them out by color. I have mine sorted by color. Stress and fatigue tokens will get their own little pile. Same goes for corruption tokens, character turn counters (the hourglasses), the puzzle pieces, the clear plastic character stands, the little tokens for engineers or runesmiths from blackfire pass, disease cards, condition cards, miscast cards, and so on.
If you're wondering whether something needs to be put in sleeves in a binder, I'd suggest that the only cards that really need to be sleeved in that way are the action cards and creature cards, so that players and GM can easily look through them. I have talents in a binder as well, but that's not as big a deal. The other cards can just be stored in ziplock bags or other containers.
Stuff to Print Out/Have
This site in general has some really amazing WFRP reference material.
http://www.orderofgamers.com/games/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-3rd-edition/
This quick reference sheet is pretty handy for play
http://rpggeek.com/filepage/83510/wfrp-3rd-ed-gamemaster-quick-reference-sheets
Gitzman's gallery has a few good things. Go ahead and grab the character sheets he uses and print those out. The reference guide by Court Dimon is also very good.
http://www.gitzmansgallery.com/wfrp-resources.html
There is a WFRP FAQ that is made by the publisher to help clarify some things. It, along with new copies of cards that have been errata'ed are here:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=93&esem=4
Presenting it all to players
Consider using the pregenerated careers for players from Liber Fanatica. Have your players do the draw 3 choose 1 method and then copy their chosen career from Liber Fanatica (http://www.liberfanatica.net/liber.fanaticaVII.pdf) which has 44 of the careers or from this link, which has the careers from later books (http://rpggeek.com/filepage/98403/later-completed-pregenerated-wfrp3-characters-post). Most people really like the Eye for an Eye adventure, and it has a lot of posts on this board for tips on running it. You could also run the Blackfire Pass adventure that FFG has posted on its support page, linked above.
Also, for actually running the game, I would go against the grain and say that you should really give all of the rules a shot before dismissing them or houseruling. Here is some general advice on things.
The funny dice
Your players are your friends. Ask them what they think should happen. As a general rule, have the players say what the good things that happen are, while the GM says bad things. Don't be married to that though. Be willing to offer cool ideas to players or listen if they have cool ideas.
You may also find that it's often easier to come up with good things that happen rather than bad things. Use this list as an idea of things you can have happen when banes or chaos stars come up.
Gain special attention of a monster, trigger a danger in the area
Reveal an unwelcome truth
Show signs of an approaching threat
Deal fatigue/stress, or cause a wound or a critical wound
Use up player resources
Turn player action back on them
Separate them
Create an opportunity that fits someone's abilities
Show a downside of a player's character
Offer an opportunity, with or without cost
Put someone in a spot
Add extra requirements for an action and ask the player if they want to continue
Fortune Points
These need to be handed out like candy. Any time your players move the story along, hand out a fortune point. If a player has a terribly unlucky roll, hand out a fortune point to balance karma. If a player makes everyone laugh, hand out a fortune point. When you can tell everyone is really getting into it, hand out a fortune point. When a player really engages the rules, hand out a fortune point.
The game moved away from this a bit, but fortune points should also be spent to let players control the story a bit. In general, if a player asks you for something that you're not sure about (e.g. is this gun loaded, was I wearing armor when we got attacked, is their a blacksmith in this town) tell them the answer is yes if they spend a fortune point or two. I also have a HOUSE RULE that players can spend a fortune point to reroll an entire roll if it washes out with 0 success, 0 banes or boons, etc.
The party sheet
A lot of people have trouble using the party sheet effectively. Let players know that they can use it with their talents to give everyone extra powers. One piece of advice is to not let the players pick a party sheet until they've completed an adventure together so they know how their group works together. As a GM, feel free to add tension to the party sheet for any time when the players get in each others way. When a group splits up, add some tension. When someone screws up badly, consider adding tension. When someone steals a kill, add some tension. When characters disagree, add tension. Sometimes you should just add tension when the group is collectively suffering, such as from seeing something really crazy or suffering through a swamp. In general, any time you feel like something is affecting the entire group, go ahead and increase party tension as well.
Corruption Points, Diseases, Etc.
Sometimes you may plan something out when this is going to come up. Other times, you can use these as a result of rolling a chaos star, or lots of boons, especially during encounters. As a general rule, give the player a roll to resist if you're using banes, and be willing to just automatically inflict something if they roll a chaos star. If this happens, don't actually have the player roll for the disease or corruption until the encounter is over, just cackle and tell them "oh, you'll see" when they ask what the chaos star does.
Stances
Players will often have a bit of trouble using the stances. They have specific rules in encounter mode, but if you're in story mode, tell the players that you as the GM will decide whether to award them a single stance die or not depending on what kind of action they're taking.
Extra Successes
Sometimes you'll end up in a case where a player rolls a bunch of extra successes and their action has nothing for them to spend them on. As a HOUSE RULE, consider letting them trade successes for boons at a rate of 2:1, i.e. spend two successes to gain one boon. Another HOUSE RULE is to let them spend extra successes on a Melee or Ranged attack (not magic) to deal 1 extra damage per success, to a maximum of their expertise level in melee or ranged.
Encounter Mode and Story Mode
The main difference between encounter mode and story mode is that story mode is typically not going to use most of the cards, while encounter mode is going to be using the action cards to resolve things. In general, when a player wants to try using one of his or her cards, strongly consider moving things to encounter mode (this includes in social situations). When you move to encounter mode, consider what the "win" conditions are for it, so that you know when to end.
The Puzzle Piece Tracker
This thing is absolutely your friend. Use it in an encounter mode as your win condition. Maybe players need to succeed at X number of rolls to win an encounter. Maybe they're racing against someone else to do that. Maybe the players have a limited amount of time to find something. Basically, use this any time you want to keep track of something going on in the game.
Opposed Rolls
A lot of people don't like the way the opposed rolling system works. It makes it very hard to win an opposed roll if your skill in it is low. However, what most people don't realize is that this is because almost all social rolls are opposed, and that this rule is basically making sure that players with high social skills are much better at it than those with low ones. So go ahead and use the regular rule from it. Also, keep in mind that you can also do contests, which are just having both players roll a skill and seeing who gets more successes. You can also look into the rules for doing big combined effort rolls from Hero's Call.
Running Story Mode
Most of this is going to be resolved by basic skill rolls. If you're in doubt on how to interpret the dice, either ask your players if they have any ideas, or hand out stress/fatigue. Again, don't let players use their action cards in story mode. Tell them to just put their hands face down. If someone wants to use an action, go ahead and switch to encounter mode. Feel free to use all of the other bits for the game, however. The game gives some vague information on how to recharge cards, because you can technically use them in story mode, but it's not really a good idea to do so. Unless it really makes sense for a card to be used and you can't figure out a good reason to switch to encounter mode (sometimes you just don't want it to take that long to resolve something), stick to just using skill rolls. If a player is trying to use magic in story mode, try to limit them to cantrips (i.e. suggest that they should make a roll to cast a cantrip to do an action rather than use their card). In general, though, if you can think of a good goal for it, try switching to encounter mode at times when you weren't planning to. You may be surprised by what occurs. Also, try to not have too many encounters happening, as it lets players recover stress and fatigue too easily.
IMPORTANT: Stress and Fatigue should not really every be removed during story mode, unless your players are going to sleep and getting a full night's sleep (why are you letting your players get away this easily?).
Running Encounters
This is your time for things to shine. Remind the players that encounters are the point of the game where things are really getting closest to having tactical gameplay. It's their job to look at their cards and use them at the best time. Remind them of their card to remove stress and fatigue. Make sure your players know the Perform a Stunt card is there to let them try whatever crazy thing they want to do. If they use that card, feel free to make things fairly difficult for them, but not impossible.
Aggression/Cunning/Expertise
You NEED to be spending this, and quickly. Those monsters will either be dead or that NPC will give up what the players want from him at the end of the encounter. Spend, spend, spend! This is your time to make things hurt for the players.
Rally Steps
A good rule of thumb for these is to have them occur at the end of a round that you have run out of A/C/E points. Also, you can have them occur at thematically appropriate points, like the turn that reinforcements show up, at the start of the round that is going to decide who wins and who loses, etc.
Easily Forgotten Rules
-Make sure you add the Toughness of a character to it's soak value (the listed soak value does not include toughness)
-Make sure you add strength to melee damage or dexterity to range (same as above)
-You are fatigued as soon as fatigue exceeds ANY physical stat, distressed when stress exceeds ANY mental stat, and strained when BOTH of the above are true
-You check for insanity both when a character is strained and takes stress/fatigue OR when willpower is distressed and you take a stress
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More play aids courtesy of ImpactVector.
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3762659&perpage=40&pagenumber=79#post464521045
--- Quote from: ImpactVector" post="464521045 ---When running this adventure I used some clue cards someone on the FFG forums made to help with the investigation. They were really neat. It gamified the mystery quite a bit and maybe made it too easy, but that's better than the typical RPG mystery where the players try to read the DM/scenario writer's mind with very little to go on while trying to sort actual clues from the herrings.
Clue Cards
Usage Guide/GM Key
I'll have to take a look at the rest of your post when I have time to reorganize. I've already done a few of the things you list (I've got action card binders and token storage bins), but you've got some good ideas on how to sort them a little better.
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Twisting H:
Further fr0id advice
--- Quote from: fr0id" post="464548609 ---I fucking love WFRP Third Edition and will gladly hype it to everyone. Damn shame that it's becoming mostly unavailable. A lot of people complained about the supplements having some really important rules for things like disease/mutation/serious wounds/certain careers, but that to me just made it feel like the supplements brought actual value to the game. Unfortunately now those supplements have been out of print for years.
Here's a rundown of almost everything you can buy for the game:
Main expansions (each of these contains several new careers, new actions cards, new talents, new wounds and other special cards, and cardboard standups for creatures along with new rules and components for those rules, fluff related to the expansion theme, and an adventure)
Signs of Faith (expanded/full rules for priest characters, rules for disease, rules for potion making, Nurgle monsters)
Winds of Magic (expanded/full rules for wizards, rules for corruption, Tzeench monsters)
Omens of War (rules for horse riding, martial careers, serious wound rules, Khorne monsters)
Lure of Power (rules for noble characters, social combat, Slaanesh monsters)
Heros Call (rules for high level chaacters, new starting races, using the special dice to resolve an entire encounter outcome (high level monsters)
Black fire Pass (rules new dwarf careers, crafting rules)
Other Good Supplements
Adventurers Kit (action cards for adding a 4th player, new careers and actions)
Creatures Guide (big bestiary of monsters, good to buy in pdf)
Creatures Vault (standups and cards for all of the monsters; note that the core box, signs of faith, winds of magic, the edge of night and gathering storm adventures do not come with cards for the creatures in them, but all later releases do; this comes with cards for all of the creatures in those, plus more)
Gamemasters Kit (the only additional physical parts are special cards that act like party sheets for NPCs and a mediocre GMs screen)
The second wave of guides and vaults (wherein FFG pulled a D&D 4th Edition Essentials and tried to re-release the game line to appeal to groggy people who didn't want components)
Players Vault: contains all of the physical bits from the core box that players would use
GM's vault: contains all of the physical bits from the core box that the GM would use, plus a booster sets worth of dice
As far as I know, if you buy the players vault and gms vault, you'd have all of the physical bits from the core box other than less dice. This may be a better buy for you if you're fine with using a dice roller and already have the rulebook Pdfs.
Players Guide: much more well written version of the core rules, plus rules for playing without the physical bits using the signs of faith, adventurers toolkit, and winds of magic expansion. Worth having in PDF. Doesn't cover ALL of the core rules.
GMs guide: more well written version of the core rules that has the rest of the rules from the core game plus the adventure from it.
My recommendations for purchase? Must-Haves are the core set,4 main expansions (Signs, Winds, Omens, Lure), the adventurers toolkit, the creatures vault, and hero's call.
Also, here's a quick explanation on why the WFRP setting is actually awesome:
Long time WFRP players already know this, but for those of you who don't, WFRP is basically a grim and gritty medieval fantasy world painted in bright cartoony neon. WFRP is a game that has a sense of humor about how grim it is. Yes, Steve can get rotleg and limp around for weeks, but he can also get a bad case of gas leading him to take social penalties. WFRP assumes a play style that I think is how most people actually play RPGs. It's all about the GM doing over the top stuff to the player characters who in turn come up with over the top schemes to defuse it. The WFRP setting is one that is actually meant for wild player behavior to happen, so long as it is in the bounds of a gonzo reality. Ever noticed how some of the most memorable Call of Cthulhu sessions were ones where a doctor specialized in headbutt and headbutted all the skeletons to death? WFRP as a setting encourages that kind of thing. Found a cult in the heart of the temple? Bribe the guards, murder the inhabitants, then burn down the building for good measure. Something really important in the core book is its talk about the economy. WFRP is a setting of class stratification, with dirt poor, middle class, and ultra wealthy. The book calls out the fact that as adventurers, the players are meant to blur the lines between these classes, and interact with them all. In addition, the book flat out says that the reason players turn to adventuring is to make money. That's it. Instant motivation, and one that keeps in with typical player behavior. Go in, blow stuff up, get paid. You're not going to find another fantasy setting that so accurately captures the sense of humor in roleplaying. This is a game for the group that doesn't want to play a super self-serious setting, and instead just wants to make up a fun fantasy story with dark humor.
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