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Software developer claims your immortal soul?
« on: April 15, 2010, 10:43:41 PM »
7,500 Online Shoppers Unknowingly Sold Their Souls

A computer game retailer revealed that it legally owns the souls of thousands of online shoppers, thanks to a clause in the terms and conditions agreed to by online shoppers.

A computer game retailer revealed that it legally owns the souls of thousands of online shoppers, thanks to a clause in the terms and conditions agreed to by online shoppers.

The retailer, British firm GameStation, added the "immortal soul clause" to the contract signed before making any online purchases earlier this month. It states that customers grant the company the right to claim their soul.

"By placing an order via this Web site on the first day of the fourth month of the year 2010 Anno Domini, you agree to grant Us a non transferable option to claim, for now and for ever more, your immortal soul. Should We wish to exercise this option, you agree to surrender your immortal soul, and any claim you may have on it, within 5 (five) working days of receiving written notification from gamesation.co.uk or one of its duly authorised minions."

GameStation's form also points out that "we reserve the right to serve such notice in 6 (six) foot high letters of fire, however we can accept no liability for any loss or damage caused by such an act. If you a) do not believe you have an immortal soul, b) have already given it to another party, or c) do not wish to grant Us such a license, please click the link below to nullify this sub-clause and proceed with your transaction."

The terms of service were updated on April Fool's Day as a gag, but the retailer did so to make a very real point: No one reads the online terms and conditions of shopping, and companies are free to insert whatever language they want into the documents.

While all shoppers during the test were given a simple tick box option to opt out, very few did this, which would have also rewarded them with a £5 voucher, according to news:lite. Due to the number of people who ticked the box, GameStation claims believes as many as 88 percent of people do not read the terms and conditions of a Web site before they make a purchase.

The company noted that it would not be enforcing the ownership rights, and planned to e-mail customers nullifying any claim on their soul.



It's from Foxnews and i didn't feel like sending them any traffic...but still, amusing.
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Re: Software developer claims your immortal soul?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2010, 10:45:34 PM »
GameStation is really just a front for Satan.

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Re: Software developer claims your immortal soul?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 12:15:36 AM »
what a great scam to get free souls! Man I'm Glad wow hasent done that every patch day you have to agree to 2 diffrent agreements to play the game haha! Who knows maybe they already have mine.

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Re: Software developer claims your immortal soul?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2010, 12:55:26 AM »
Hmm...

I could use a few extra souls...

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Re: Software developer claims your immortal soul?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2010, 03:02:07 AM »

There really needs to be a legal ruling that EULAs are completely stupid and inherenetly no one reads them, they are not suitable for the purpose they were designed for. NO, sorry, they are completely suitable for the purpose of legally covering the arse of the company, but as a legally binding document for consumer use, it's akin to throwing a novel at you to sign when you want to buy a Kit-Kat at the supermarket.

Life is far to short and the universe far too infinite for everyone to require legal degrees and spend a long evening reading and decoding a EULA just to do anything. Wasn't Apple's newest update a 96 page EULA?

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Re: Software developer claims your immortal soul?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2010, 09:34:54 AM »
I look at these types of documents as completely unenforceable. They are beyond 99% of the population to understand. I often read the EULA's once, but when they fire a new version at you, without indicating the revisions done, I just click through. I figure if I ever need to argue one I will just point out that due the ubiquity of the service, and the expertise of the provider, I believed, reasonably, that they would notify me specifically of any clauses that changed and that by not doing so, they must be simply re-sending it to me.

I have never actually read any court briefs regarding the enforceability of these EULA's. Does anyone know of any where these were used against people, and not corporations?

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Re: Software developer claims your immortal soul?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2010, 01:58:37 PM »
there's mixed precedent for shrinkwrap agreements - but mostly they are enforced by courts

read dis for more info http://www.eff.org/wp/dangerous-terms-users-guide-eulas

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Re: Software developer claims your immortal soul?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 09:10:48 PM »
I'm pretty sure that more often than not when things have come up in court, certainly here in Britain, that the terms and conditions have always been ruled as beyond the any reasonable idea of practical for the consumer. I believe many a judge has over-ruled a terms and conditions breach when the entire purpose seems to be for the benefit of the company and not the system or (for big games) community.

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Re: Software developer claims your immortal soul?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2010, 11:47:29 AM »
there's mixed precedent for shrinkwrap agreements - but mostly they are enforced by courts

read dis for more info http://www.eff.org/wp/dangerous-terms-users-guide-eulas

So I read through, and from what I have seen, most of the items that enforced seem entirely reasonable i.e. I did work, you re-sold my work without compensating me and I told you couldn't re-sell my work as well as you took my work and repackaged it as your own you lying SOB.

I don't have any problem with these terms and strongly feel they should be enforced. And yes, I have some videos I didn't purchase on my home computer. If asked to pay for or delete them, I would delete them, but if told I had to pay for them, I would. Often, there is no means for me to actually pay for them as they are not readily for sale. That is another argument...

I find many of the terms in the EULA's unenforceable because you can't actually sign away your rights by nature of a purchase. Some examples that are given on the EFF site are clauses that state you cannot compare the product or speak of the product without permission. Those are wholly unenforceable in my view, and I also don't think they have ever been challenged in a court of law.

The other humourous terms are the self-propagating  EULA's like Apple's that they provide an example of. You can't legally agree to something before it has been put to you. Period. A clause like this is just there to try and scare people. Once again, it hasn't been challenged. Imagine if this was actually enforceable... you buy something for the low price of a dollar, and then without expressed consent, they change the rate to 5 million dollars... but because you agreed that you would be bound by any future price or changes. It is laughable...

The one contract example that still baffles me though it Scientology. I still can't figure out how they have gotten away with the secrecy they have.

One interesting point I take from the site, which I don't think has been explored is this:

"It's very likely that we will begin to see more and more TOS agreements that forbid consumers from using products to discuss certain socially stigmatized topics, or that assign to the vendor ownership of all consumer data stored with its service. And because many online services also install software or store data on consumers' computers, TOS agreements may claim to govern user activity on private computers, too. "

Companies really need to be careful what they wish for.

An example: The possession of certain information is illegal. Child porn, national secrets, etc. If the company owns it, they must be responsible for it. I do hope it doesn't fall through the cracks in their filters, because I would pursue the executives of the company for these offenses. They can have terms that state they are not responsible for how it got there, but you either own it all, or none of it. Make up your mind.

Many companies often forget that the law is to be used as a shield, not a sword. Play with swords long enough, and you get cut.