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General Category => General Chaos => : clockworkjoe June 20, 2010, 04:30:02 PM
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We here at RPPR love terrible writing. The Eye of Argon, My Immortal are so bad they're hilarious. But what about the shit that actually gets in print? We need to laugh at that as well. So, to kick things off, I'll post a few excerpts from Glenn Beck's new novel, The Overton Window.
All from http://mediamatters.org/blog/201006110032
Noah and Molly find themselves in bed together early in the book after a harrowing experience at a Founders' Keepers rally. They agree to sleep in bed together because Molly is too scared to sleep at home, but Molly insists that nothing sexual will take place. Noah agrees, on the condition that she "not do anything sexy." She presses her cold feet against his legs, and Noah responds:
"Suit yourself, lady. I'm telling you right now, you made the rules, but you're playing with fire here. I've got some rules, too, and rule number one is, don't tease the panther."
Read the article for more.
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I would post Twilight, but it's too long and it would require me to actually look at more than 2-3 paragraphs...
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I think any of the excerpts in the glenn beck review would work. It looks like a real piece of art.
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How about a fantasy writer? Terry Goodkind is just awful. http://sandstormreviews.blogspot.com/2006/08/goodkind-parodies.html
# Princess Violet is the 8-year-old whose jaw gets kicked by Richard; she returns later with her tongue grown back, in the company of a witch called Six.
# A Yeard is a word born of a typo, which now means the type of beard/ponytail combination sported by Goodkind himself.
# Goodkind has some trouble with irregular past participles; he also overuses the words "thing" and "instantly," and parts of anatomy behave in peculiar ways (especially eyes). Many points are stated and re-stated to the point of utter redundancy. His book dedications are peculiar.
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When it comes to straight up writing, the first Eragon book was pretty terrible. He was 17 or something and lived around here while he wrote it. The premise was good evil and dragons and orcs vs dwarves and humans and elves and MAGIC oh my, but you could really hear the writing voice of a teenager.
"This happened then this happened but oh no what about that coming over the rise we dealt with it this way" with either way too little or much punctuiation. All exposition, no character development or motivation. Almost didn't pick up the second one Brisinger, but I did and found it vastly improved.
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I like those books because Eragon is a psychopath.
Sociopath?
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The poetry of Leonard Nimoy
Title: Thank You For a World of Kindness
Thank you
For a world
Of kindness
Thank you
For your
Endless patience
Thank you
For your
Sensitive understanding
Thank you
For Your
Love
title: You Fill Me With Your Love
You fill me
With your love
You fill me
With your caring
You fill me
With your thoughts
You fill me
With your sharing
Hey Spock, leave poetry to people with emotions.
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I know it's supposed to be a brilliant book and amazing and all that, but I'm really not a fan of the first line from "A Tale of Two Cities"
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way"
It was one diametrically opposite thing, it was another diametrically opposite thing.
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double post
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I know it's supposed to be a brilliant book and amazing and all that, but I'm really not a fan of the first line from "A Tale of Two Cities"
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way"
It was one diametrically opposite thing, it was another diametrically opposite thing.
Yeah, it's been done (Ecclesiastes)
1.To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2.A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, a time to reap that which is planted;
3.A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4.A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5.A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6.A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7.A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8.A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace
Babylon Zion lawdamercy
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Hugh Cook's "Wizard War", aka "The Wizards and the Warriors" is a terrible, horrible, hysterical book. You will be a better person for having read it. The plot is a meandering, nonsensical mess, the heroes travel across the kingdom on a walking mountain, and the bad guy has an Armageddon stone with which he hopes to destroy the world. When the heroes catch up to the bad guy, they find that he's already killed himself experimenting with the Armageddon stone, so they do the only logical thing and take the Armageddon stone back to the quarry where Armageddon stones are mined.
The book also has the best chunk of dialog ever written:
‘You’ve upset him,’ said Gorn, grinning. ‘Come on, you’d better say something. Let your sword do the speaking.’
Alish said nothing. He knew they were all waiting for him.
‘Hor-hurop!’ said the Melski headman.
Gorn looked at Alish.
‘Hor-drup! Muur-muur. Muur hulp! Mulsk!’
Alish stood there, trembling.
And Gorn attacked.
‘Yar!’ screamed Gorn.
I rest my case.
Mulsk.
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WHAT
that is not a real thing
you lie
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Not only is it real, but it's the kind of horrible real that inspires a rabid devotion in its fans (http://www.amazon.com/Wizards-Warriors-Chronicles-Age-Darkness/dp/0861402448/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_3).
I haven't been able to figure out if it's gotten so many 5 stars because it's so awesomely hysterically bad, or if the people who've rated it genuinely think it's good.
I'm afraid it's the latter.
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Hugh Cook's "Wizard War", aka "The Wizards and the Warriors" is a terrible, horrible, hysterical book. You will be a better person for having read it. The plot is a meandering, nonsensical mess, the heroes travel across the kingdom on a walking mountain, and the bad guy has an Armageddon stone with which he hopes to destroy the world. When the heroes catch up to the bad guy, they find that he's already killed himself experimenting with the Armageddon stone, so they do the only logical thing and take the Armageddon stone back to the quarry where Armageddon stones are mined.
Hugh Cook presents: Adventurers of Synnibarr: Legend of the Weremountain
My contribution is the Warhammer 40k novels, particularly those of Dan Abnett. They seem to have a rabid cult following, but are mostly exposition stories about how Space Muhreens go around killing dudes and being awesome. The phrase "liquid mud" is used as punctuation by Abnett. He and the other authors are in a constant battle to list the most objects, terms, and concepts from the setting. it almost feels as if they were given a list of things to include and were forced to construct a scene out of them.
EVERYTHING is described, in great detail, as if to a stranger who were not part of the world. Jargon and terminology are used wherever the function of something is unclear, because it sets the MOOD.
As my gun-cutter set down on the landing cross at Tomb Point, I had pulled on an internally heated bodyskin and swathes of studry, insulated foul weather gear, but the perilous cold cut through me now. My eyes wattered, and the tears frose on my lashes and cheeks. I remembered the details of the cultural brief my savant had prepared, and quickly lowered my frost visor, trembling as warm air becan to circulate under the plastic mask.
Custodians, altered to my arrival by astropathic hails, stood waiting for me at the base of the landing cross. Their lighted poles dipped in obeisance in the frozen night and the air steamed with the heat that bled from their cloaks. I nodded to them, showing their leader my badge of office. An ice-car awaited; a rust colored arrowhead twenty meters long, mounted on ski-blade runners and spiked tracks.
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Is that the same Abnett that writes for Marvel?
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Counterpoint: The Eisenhorn trilogy by Abnett is a fun pulp read and focuses on investigating evil cults by a psychic inquisitor and his entourage. Space marines barely make an appearance.
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Counterpoint: The Eisenhorn trilogy by Abnett is a fun pulp read and focuses on investigating evil cults by a psychic inquisitor and his entourage. Space marines barely make an appearance.
Point taken. I still wish he would stop DESCRIBING and NAMING things so much. :( Just tell me what HAPPENS.
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Hugh Cook's "Wizard War", aka "The Wizards and the Warriors" is a terrible, horrible, hysterical book. You will be a better person for having read it. The plot is a meandering, nonsensical mess, the heroes travel across the kingdom on a walking mountain, and the bad guy has an Armageddon stone with which he hopes to destroy the world. When the heroes catch up to the bad guy, they find that he's already killed himself experimenting with the Armageddon stone, so they do the only logical thing and take the Armageddon stone back to the quarry where Armageddon stones are mined.
Hugh Cook presents: Adventurers of Synnibarr: Legend of the Weremountain
My contribution is the Warhammer 40k novels, particularly those of Dan Abnett. They seem to have a rabid cult following, but are mostly exposition stories about how Space Muhreens go around killing dudes and being awesome. The phrase "liquid mud" is used as punctuation by Abnett. He and the other authors are in a constant battle to list the most objects, terms, and concepts from the setting. it almost feels as if they were given a list of things to include and were forced to construct a scene out of them.
EVERYTHING is described, in great detail, as if to a stranger who were not part of the world. Jargon and terminology are used wherever the function of something is unclear, because it sets the MOOD.
As my gun-cutter set down on the landing cross at Tomb Point, I had pulled on an internally heated bodyskin and swathes of studry, insulated foul weather gear, but the perilous cold cut through me now. My eyes wattered, and the tears frose on my lashes and cheeks. I remembered the details of the cultural brief my savant had prepared, and quickly lowered my frost visor, trembling as warm air becan to circulate under the plastic mask.
Custodians, altered to my arrival by astropathic hails, stood waiting for me at the base of the landing cross. Their lighted poles dipped in obeisance in the frozen night and the air steamed with the heat that bled from their cloaks. I nodded to them, showing their leader my badge of office. An ice-car awaited; a rust colored arrowhead twenty meters long, mounted on ski-blade runners and spiked tracks.
Don't fucking mess with Abnett.
Besides one of the main themes of 40k is that technology is so advanced nobody understands it except for a mysterious martian cult.
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Don't fucking mess with Abnett.
Besides one of the main themes of 40k is that technology is so advanced nobody understands it except for a mysterious martian cult.
Well, apparently I'm wrong. I still don't like those books of his that I've read, but I'll have to give Eisenhorn a try.
Can we agree that Terry Brooks is the poor man's Tolkien?
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Can we agree that Terry Brooks is the poor man's Tolkien?
I'm fine with that. I haven't been able to make it more than three pages into anything he's written involving elves.
I love the Knight of the Word triology even though the third book is pretty crappy.
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I'm a sucker for Abnett's writing. 40K, fantasy, I've read it all (probably). However, in the same genre, C.S. Goto is some of the most pointless writing I've ever forced myself to finish.
Battlefield Earth, in addition to being one of the worst movies ever made, is one of the worst books ever published in my opinion. I know there are people that consider it fantastic, and probably not all of them follow Tom Cruise, but man...I couldn't even finish it.
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Well, it's not really so much that the 40k technology is advanced as much as the monolithic religion erected around technology that prohibits experimentation and rapid advancement. I'm not too crazy about Abnett's work, but Ben Counter is a very good author (Soul Drinkers trilogy) that makes excellent use of vignettes to illustrate a scene rather than rely on typical third-person omniscience.
I cannot seem to find any copies, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the "Animorphs" series by Applegate is one of those "awesome at the time" childhood memories that would not stand up to my scrutiny today.
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Ben Counter is a good author. I also appreciate the injection of humor into the genre from Sandy Mitchell in the Ciaphus Caine stuff, and the non-Caine stuff is also pretty good.
Some of HP Lovecraft's stuff is damn near unreadable. Some of it's excellent, but when it's bad it's horrendous.
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Some of HP Lovecraft's stuff is damn near unreadable. Some of it's excellent, but when it's bad it's horrendous.
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srsly just because you don't like HPL's purple prose doesn't mean it's bad.
Unless you can back up your words with some serious critiques.
LET'S HEAR IT
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srsly just because you don't like HPL's purple prose doesn't mean it's bad.
Unless you can back up your words with some serious critiques.
LET'S HEAR IT
Don't get me wrong. A lot of his stuff is excellent. I started reading him back in high school, and have been a fan ever since. But sometimes it's hard to overlook the blatant racism in some of his writing.
I've heard the argument, particularly in light of his wife being Jewish, that some of it was for shock value. I suppose that's possible, but it still makes it rough for me to slog through some of his stories.
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srsly just because you don't like HPL's purple prose doesn't mean it's bad.
Unless you can back up your words with some serious critiques.
LET'S HEAR IT
Don't get me wrong. A lot of his stuff is excellent. I started reading him back in high school, and have been a fan ever since. But sometimes it's hard to overlook the blatant racism in some of his writing.
I've heard the argument, particularly in light of his wife being Jewish, that some of it was for shock value. I suppose that's possible, but it still makes it rough for me to slog through some of his stories.
Criticizing a writer for not having the same social mores and sensibilities is pretty weak. It opens a huge can of worms for pretty much all writers of note. Shakespeare for Shylock, Twain for Nigger Jim, Conrad for the Nigger of Narcissus and on and on and on.
That being said, there has been much written about HPL's racism by some brilliant writers. I recommend Michel Houellebecq's "H.P Lovecraft: Against the World, Against Life" which has a chapter addressing his racism and argues that it was part of the central motivating force in his writing.I just re-read it (starts on p. 105) and it's a great read. After all, the Mythos are the perfect Other. So if you enjoy some of his work, then you are part to the same types of thought as HPL. :O
Anyway, great art requires great understanding in order to comprehend. It's fine to read and enjoy the work of HPL on a surface level but disliking it because it makes you uneasy because of his antiquated racism shows that you need to dive deeper. You can enjoy his work and acknowledge his racism at the same time.
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Hugh Cook's "Wizard War", aka "The Wizards and the Warriors" is a terrible, horrible, hysterical book. You will be a better person for having read it. The plot is a meandering, nonsensical mess, the heroes travel across the kingdom on a walking mountain, and the bad guy has an Armageddon stone with which he hopes to destroy the world. When the heroes catch up to the bad guy, they find that he's already killed himself experimenting with the Armageddon stone, so they do the only logical thing and take the Armageddon stone back to the quarry where Armageddon stones are mined.
Hugh Cook presents: Adventurers of Synnibarr: Legend of the Weremountain
My contribution is the Warhammer 40k novels, particularly those of Dan Abnett. They seem to have a rabid cult following, but are mostly exposition stories about how Space Muhreens go around killing dudes and being awesome. The phrase "liquid mud" is used as punctuation by Abnett. He and the other authors are in a constant battle to list the most objects, terms, and concepts from the setting. it almost feels as if they were given a list of things to include and were forced to construct a scene out of them.
EVERYTHING is described, in great detail, as if to a stranger who were not part of the world. Jargon and terminology are used wherever the function of something is unclear, because it sets the MOOD.
As my gun-cutter set down on the landing cross at Tomb Point, I had pulled on an internally heated bodyskin and swathes of studry, insulated foul weather gear, but the perilous cold cut through me now. My eyes wattered, and the tears frose on my lashes and cheeks. I remembered the details of the cultural brief my savant had prepared, and quickly lowered my frost visor, trembling as warm air becan to circulate under the plastic mask.
Custodians, altered to my arrival by astropathic hails, stood waiting for me at the base of the landing cross. Their lighted poles dipped in obeisance in the frozen night and the air steamed with the heat that bled from their cloaks. I nodded to them, showing their leader my badge of office. An ice-car awaited; a rust colored arrowhead twenty meters long, mounted on ski-blade runners and spiked tracks.
Don't fucking mess with Abnett.
Besides one of the main themes of 40k is that technology is so advanced nobody understands it except for a mysterious martian cult.
I thought the the tech was advanced, but also so old that no one knows how to maintain it other then the martian cult. Because there not making new stuff, they just rebuild shit that gets blown up and maintiaing the shit.
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40K is a pretty shitty place to live over all.
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40K is a pretty shitty place to live over all.
Really? And here I thinking the "GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE, WHERE THERE IS ONLY WAR" would be a pleasant place for a simmer home.
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Warhammer40000 (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Warhammer40000)
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Criticizing a writer for not having the same social mores and sensibilities is pretty weak. It opens a huge can of worms for pretty much all writers of note. Shakespeare for Shylock, Twain for Nigger Jim, Conrad for the Nigger of Narcissus and on and on and on.
That being said, there has been much written about HPL's racism by some brilliant writers. I recommend Michel Houellebecq's "H.P Lovecraft: Against the World, Against Life" which has a chapter addressing his racism and argues that it was part of the central motivating force in his writing.I just re-read it (starts on p. 105) and it's a great read. After all, the Mythos are the perfect Other. So if you enjoy some of his work, then you are part to the same types of thought as HPL. :O
Anyway, great art requires great understanding in order to comprehend. It's fine to read and enjoy the work of HPL on a surface level but disliking it because it makes you uneasy because of his antiquated racism shows that you need to dive deeper. You can enjoy his work and acknowledge his racism at the same time.
I'll have to check that book out. I will say that I think his racism went a little deeper than some of the authors you cited, or at least in my reading it seems to be deeper than using a term that was socially acceptable at the time of writing. I tend to agree with S.T. Joshi in his assertion that Lovecraft tended to go further than other authors of his time period.
That being said there's no doubt that his views shaped his writing, as it does for all authors. And nobody can deny the impact his writings have had over the years...and will continue to have for years to come. Re-reading some of his writings with my eyes opened to the almost autobiographical nature of some of his characters, in terms of some of the hardships in his own life, certainly can give you an appreciation of where he was coming from.
I certainly don't throw him out as an author. He is by far my favorite horror author, if you can even really tie his writings to a specific genre.
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Anyway, great art requires great understanding in order to comprehend. It's fine to read and enjoy the work of HPL on a surface level but disliking it because it makes you uneasy because of his antiquated racism shows that you need to dive deeper. You can enjoy his work and acknowledge his racism at the same time.
I'd like to offer another counter reading of H.P.L.'s racism.
Noting the racism exists, as Ross says, is a weak form of criticism. Further, as Ross also says, the mythos entities form a perfect other. What we all know about mythos entities also is that that they are incomprehensibly more powerful than any human ever. So let's put this hierarchy into perspective:
Mythos Entity
Superior Race
Inferior Race
Now, I'm all about form equaling meaning, so what meanings can we take away from the hierarchy? On one hand, it forces the reader to recognize how all distinctions based on superior-inferior races are arbitrarily drawn and then justified through pseudoscience. Specifically a pseudoscience that cannot account for the mythos because of how superior mythos entities are to humans. On the other hand, it makes a dire warning about what happens when a member from a supposedly "superior race" finds his or her, but mostly his, self in the position of an inferior. The cognitive disruption caused in such an event literally makes the people of H.P.L.'s work go mad. Such a disruption would make a person, or group of persons, wholly unpredictable.
What I would like to suggest, then, is reading H.P.L.'s inveterate racism (and it is inveterate) as his own psychological struggle with knowing he was no longer part of a favored, superior race and his subsequent fear of what would replace his position in such a hierarchy.
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his wife was Jewish, wasn't she?
Or something like that.
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his wife was Jewish, wasn't she?
Or something like that.
Didn't stop him from being a eugenicist.
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his wife was Jewish, wasn't she?
Or something like that.
Didn't stop him from being a eugenicist.
Also he mellowed out in his later years and regretted a lot of his earlier positions.
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his wife was Jewish, wasn't she?
Or something like that.
Didn't stop him from being a eugenicist.
Also he mellowed out in his later years and regretted a lot of his earlier positions.
for some reason this whole conversation reminds me of the argument over whether or not the term "porchmonkey" is racist in Clerks 2
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his wife was Jewish, wasn't she?
Or something like that.
Didn't stop him from being a eugenicist.
Also he mellowed out in his later years and regretted a lot of his earlier positions.
for some reason this whole conversation reminds me of the argument over whether or not the term "porchmonkey" is racist in Clerks 2
Then you should go back and read my serious reply earlier.
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his wife was Jewish, wasn't she?
Or something like that.
Didn't stop him from being a eugenicist.
Don't get me wrong, I gathered the seriousness of the conversation. It just kinda made me laugh.
Also he mellowed out in his later years and regretted a lot of his earlier positions.
for some reason this whole conversation reminds me of the argument over whether or not the term "porchmonkey" is racist in Clerks 2
Then you should go back and read my serious reply earlier.
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I hate to have to report this, but the book that started this thread has reached #1 on the NYT bestseller list.
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I'm not surprised. There is a lot of die hard Beckites-9/12-truthers out there that will read it with the utmost intent of following to its letter. Everyone else will read it so they can make fun of it at the office.
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I'm not surprised. There is a lot of die hard Beckites-9/12-truthers out there that will read it with the utmost intent of following to its letter. Everyone else will read it so they can make fun of it at the office.
I wonder what percentage bought it because they like Beck. Certainly a television and radio show promoting your product non-stop (presumably) does a lot to ramp up sales for your target audience.
I can't help but wonder if some of the success is people throwing money at it to game the system to get a #1 spot on the list for another tag for the book jacket. I don't know the ins and outs of the system well enough to really speculate on how feasable that'd be.
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not quite on topic but whatever http://www.interrobangstudios.com/potluck/index.php?strip_id=988
not sure what to think of this
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i am at a loss for words.
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Thank god there were only 9 ... I couldn't stop myself.
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Next thing she'll say is that she won the Kobayashi Maru scenario without cheating. (And yes, I did have to refer to the Wrath of Khan page on IMDB to figure out how to spell that.)
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A TREKKIE'S TALE
By Paula Smith
"Gee, golly, gosh, gloriosky," thought Mary Sue as she stepped on the bridge of the Enterprise. "Here I am, the youngest lieutenant in the fleet - only fifteen and a half years old." Captain Kirk came up to her.
"Oh, Lieutenant, I love you madly. Will you come to bed with me?"
"Captain! I am not that kind of girl!"
"You're right, and I respect you for it. Here, take over the ship for a minute while I go get some coffee for us."
Mr. Spock came onto the bridge. "What are you doing in the command seat, Lieutenant?"
"The Captain told me to."
"Flawlessly logical. I admire your mind."
Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy and Mr. Scott beamed down with Lt. Mary Sue to Rigel XXXVII. They were attacked by green androids and thrown into prison. In a moment of weakness Lt. Mary Sue revealed to Mr. Spock that she too was half Vulcan. Recovering quickly, she sprung the lock with her hairpin and they all got away back to the ship.
But back on board, Dr. McCoy and Lt. Mary Sue found out that the men who had beamed down were seriously stricken by the jumping cold robbies , Mary Sue less so. While the four officers languished in Sick Bay, Lt. Mary Sue ran the ship, and ran it so well she received the Nobel Peace Prize, the Vulcan Order of Gallantry and the Tralfamadorian Order of Good Guyhood.
However the disease finally got to her and she fell fatally ill. In the Sick Bay as she breathed her last, she was surrounded by Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy, and Mr. Scott, all weeping unashamedly at the loss of her beautiful youth and youthful beauty, intelligence, capability and all around niceness. Even to this day her birthday is a national holiday of the Enterprise.
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but, but, lieutenants don't wear red shirts, do they?
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That was what swapped the shirt colours between TOS and TNG
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You know, it would be funnier if every other person in STO didn't have a profile like that... ::)
http://www.stogeek.com/wiki/Main_Page - Read a few, its hilarious.
Edit: I take it back, that comic is the funniest thing I have ever seen. That's getting posted on the fleet website.
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Jackie Collins - Poor Little Bitch Girl
I read part of chapter 4 to Ross while we were in the library the other day, but I couldn't find it online. Here is the very beginning of the novel though.
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Belle Svetlana surveyed her nude image in a full-length mirror, readying herself for a thirty-thousand-dollar-an-hour sexual encounter with the fifteen-year-old son of an Arab oil tycoon.
Belle knew she was a beauty. What the hell, enough money had been spent along the way to make sure she was beautiful. A nose job ordered by her mother when she was a mere fourteen, a boob job shortly after - that was her decision. And then later, liposuction when needed, lip enhancement, regular facials and skin lasering treatments to make certain her skin remained the milky white she'd worked so hard to achieve (getting rid of her freckles had been a bitch, but she'd done it).
Ever since her teenage years Belle had strived for perfection, and now she'd gotten pretty damn close. Her hair was a pale golden-red, shoulder-length and wavy. Her eyes were a spectacular emerald green. Her body - a playground of delights.
Yes, she thought, staring intently at her unabashed nakedness, I am worth every cent of the thirty thousand dollars cash already neatly stashed in my safe.
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From the door of a Burger King...
"Pull: You can push all you want, but the door is stubborn like that."
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This link really deserves to be in this thread: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jul/04/literary-storm-lee-siegel-american-novel-dead